Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Fuuma, Nov 14, 2010.
Maybe higher retail prices to fetch more $ at 50% off?
Even those have changed quite a bit. I remember Lewis selling Mallorys/Cameramans at the first sample sale for something like $250. Hell, I'm wearing my selvage pocket army trousers that I think I got for $75. Now, we have the Marrkt sale, where things don't seem to be selling, and prices aren't dropping.
I agree as well. I often wonder who the folks are buying the stuff at retail prices. Especially at Barney's. I can't see them selling more than a piece or two at those prices. I'm sure the bulk of any of the profit from NC stuff comes during sales. I also find it interesting that such things as brady bags go for a couple of hundred bucks but when NC does his collaboration, they shoot through the roof. Tweed jackets are really no different. Tweed cloth is not that expensive and you can grab a jacket for a couple of hundred bucks (decent quality). I'm sure a lot of the cost comes from the different materials that he uses and potentially having to ship products from all over the place, but they are still extremely high.
Having said all that, I'm wearing an NC shirt that was priced at $545 by Barney's but I got it at $85. Now that's a good deal.
Has anybody seen the beutiful oak roll neck in size 52 anywhere? I adore the color...
According to Present London's webshop they were sold all of their Everest parkas (no clue how many they had) in October last year, but they are a mile a way from The City in London, so it was most likely a couple young city guys, who swooped them up.
Interesting conversation... I embraced NC buying into the idea of higher (highest?) quality, detailing and craftsmanship, often paying much more than what I should have allowed myself to. My biggest regret is the Mackintosh cameraman, which I purchased full retail from Tres Bien. This past winter my shoulders were basically freezing. I admit all my stupidity buying into all the marketing that promotes it as the perfect jacket for extreme weather conditions. It's pretty much Bull****, since an unlined melton wool jacket from the likes of EG and Monitaly is much warmer and three times cheaper.
Two years later I have to say that the high retail prices have showed that not even NYC is particularly friendly to the brand. This obnoxious boutique in Chelsea called Camouflage dropped the brand after ss11. There was always so much stuff left there and their buys were ridiculously large. I should've bought all their AW10 stuff since it was %75 off.
Barneys sells ok, but at the sample sale that ended just the other day there were quite a few pieces left (hard drill jackets, pants, etc.), even on the last day when things are basically 80-85% off. It was funny to see the often-blogged camo shorts from this season left there unwanted.
Yeah the cameraman is a bullshit jacket - definite fashion rather than function.
The mackintosh doesn't breath very well and all the moisture gets fucken trapped in - you can feel it after you take it off. It's too hot for mild weather, and not warm enough when conditions get heavy.
Looks fucken cool though so i guess i'll continue to wear it haha. fuck yeah!
Boy, you're angrier than your cool Dad Style WAYWTs make you out to be
Personally, I love my Cameraman*. I usually wear a thick wool sweater under it on snowy winter days, and it's great. One the one hand, it is not going to perform like Goretex, but on the other hand, I think it's sometimes an advantage. Snow would run down a Goretex jacket and soak my pants, whereas the Mac/Harris Cameraman 'holds' the snow. Once I get where I am going, I give the Cameraman a good shake, and it's practically dry.
*although, i got it at 70% off, so maybe that is a factor, too.
Is this cameraman warmer than the mac ones?
i'll be waiting for the rest of my life for someone to sell this one.
Also do size 46s/48s ever make it to the sales, particularly for mallorys? Retail is ridiculous but i feel pressured into buying before they sell out. I know Mallorys come and go every AW season but I don't think I'll ever see that crazy mallory again
It's interesting to see people turning on the brand in this thread. I have to say that I have my fair share of pieces and they all are pretty great. I never purchase his stuff at full retail but I have to say that some of my favorite pieces are from NC and in heavy rotation, and I have a fully stocked wardrobe of good brands. I wore the King George coat damn near every day in the NYC winter with a chunky knit and scarf and I was good to go. His submarine knit and reversible shirts are also a great pieces. A few years ago I abused the NC Clip jacket that I purchase, and this year I have a cameraman on ice from last year that I'm just waiting to crack. Not all of his pieces are for me, but I buy the ones that fit my style, and they all stand up to abuse. His business has been around before the heritage waive and it will be here after it. Yeah, he's capitalized on the heritage trend and picked up many doors. Some will stay and some will go, and some more will come on board. It's the natural cycle of fashion, and the ebb and flow of business. I'll still be a fan when everyone jumps on the next thing.
London, I think it's a bit much to say people are "turning" on Cabourn. Cabourn at full retail, especially this AW12, is ridiculously expensive. I suppose at the end of the day it's a matter of opinion as well as perspective, but I still it's expensive. Now relative to other brands when all things are considered maybe not so much. Still in these economic times and with what one could do with the money it takes to buy an expedition piece (I've taken some memorable vacations for far less), unless you're say a Premiership footballer you need to give the purchase some thought. At the end of the day it is just a piece of clothing to a great extent.
On the flip side, I think if you can score some Cabourn at the prices we've seen this Summer, then it can be a great buy. I think one has to really consider the product and and how much it is. As I've already noted in this thread, the first time I consciously noticed Cabourn was when I saw the $1900 yellow colorway Cameraman this Spring on Unionmade's site. This did this great colorblock spread and they had a ton of parkas in their outerwear section. While I liked various styles, that one stuck out the moment I saw it as an iconic Spring coat. I never thought I'd get it, but fortunately I was able to. Now that I have it and I've learned more about Cabourn, I can think of a couple of reasons why it's worth the investment at the right price. Being on the wrong end of my mid 30s, still passing for my late 20s and still being a bit of clothes horse, over the past few years I've taken to the "heritage" look. One of the reasons is because some of it reminds of what I liked back in the day, but another part of it is because I view items like a Cameraman as something I'll never get sick of. I'm trying to buy things I think I'll like "as an adult", though I still have pieces that are over 10 years old that I still love and wear from time to time. And let me tell you, I get sick of everything. Still I think I'll always be prepared to thrown on the Cameraman without thinking once "is this out of style?" One of the reasons is the military aspects of it. When in the past 15+ years has the military look in some way not been in style? Granted I've always liked it, but still. I've read people comment in this thread that this SS12 or just the SS collections in general don't interest them as much, but I think this past season for example was great with the military inspirations. Now I wouldn't go around wearing a Monty tie unless perhaps I was some old chap in England re-living the past, but it's still interesting. Anyway, another thing about the Cabourn pieces is that there are some great materials. I'm not fussed by horn buttons as I've seen as good looking faux horn buttons, but with the buttons, the clasps, the mackintosh and even the linen on my Cameramen you can feel the quality. I mentioned American Pickers a few pages back and how they found a bomber coat that is just like Cabourn's (the one that turunen has, with the painted hood). While my Cameraman isn't a vintage piece, it will be some day and it's an antique if you will and for me probably always will be. Now whether or not some picker raids my house and knows what I have is probably not likely, but for me there is that aspect of having a very limited edition handmade item that looks like the Cameraman. Again, it's an iconic piece. I even look at it his collections, and I hate to share this as I fear others will feel the same way, but I look at his collections and look at him and think "this guy is an artist and he's not going to be around forever."
People also need to realize what they're getting. Saying you're disappointed with an AW Cameraman because it didn't perform as well as you expected in Winter tells me that you didn't properly understand the coat. I don't think Cabourn has ever advertised the AW Cameraman as a performance piece like the expedition pieces are. On top of that noting that Hilary or Clark wore this or that doesn't mean that there haven't been improvements in fabrics and clothing against the elements.
At the end of the day I think I'll always be a Cabourn fan. Hell, I want to work with guy I'm that passionate about his product. I love how he takes his inspiration from British history and gives you a heritage piece that is for all intents and purposes what they wore back in the day while also still being wearable now. I just try and temper that passion with some common sense when it comes to how much I'll spend or how many pieces I'll get. So far I'm doing a bit poor on the latter, but quite good with the former. I love the pieces I've picked up in a short period of time though and am thrilled I got them.
I'm surprised Tres Bien Shop is going to stop carrying Cabourn. The instant they did drops the plowed through their product. I agree about the price not matching the quality, but I suspect you could say that about a lot of brands they carry relative to Cabourn. I don't see a limited future marketing wise, but I'm biased so...
See, I wouldn't think they care. Again, they blitzed through their product when it hit sale and they didn't go as deep as some. They did on a few pieces, but when they did their stock was largely picked over and it went really quickly. Also, some of Marrkt's prices aren't as competitive. It of course depends on the piece.
Well I think the Marrkt sale has probably moved at least 50% of it's starting inventory, likely more. Some of the prices have dropped too, like on the aircraft jackets which are the cheapest I've seen them. However on the Cameramen they haven't budged and they were a better deal when they were on Superdenim's site. The sale still has... well over a week left and there's still an nice piece left in your size.
LOL. When Ushowu takes a markdown send me a PM. Just don't hold your breath. I don't blame them if they can sit on the inventory mind you.
I guess certain stores such as liberty in London are going to have walk up customers who will pay full retail, without the ‘knowledge’ that most on here have, that u can shop around and get cheaper. I spoke to a mate whos shop stopped stocking it, he said it just wasn’t shifting outside of sales, so they dropped it, simple as. I think next year will have a lot of shops dropping it, but its still a marquee brand with kudos attached to stocking, whether that will be so once the heritage fad passes I doubt.
Personally I love it, I always get compliments when I wear it, but the cameraman is the only piece I REALLY want still (the everest is cool, but id wear it like 2 days of the year), so after I get that hopefully this season, I see myself only hanging out for bargains.
London has a lot of young and very rich people arabs, bankers, footballers etc. who don't give a **** about what things cost and like thing more, the more expensive they get. Like I wrote earlier it seems that Present London are doing well and their stock turns over fairly quickly, but they are right next to Soho House and The City, so they have the clientele.
I saw two arab guys buy a gold Vertu each at Harrods once (after the first gen iPhone had come out), like it was nothing.
That is the dumbest way of doing business I have ever heard, why would anyone pay full retail for something all other retailers have sold at 50% off?
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