I am sure that there is information in here, if I were to do a lot of looking. I don't know alot about chinos. the ones that I ahve bought off the rack from lands end don't look the way I'd like - higher rise, baggy in the theigh and butt, sort of strange looking in the hip. I'm looking for something like this 1. durable 2. good colors (grays, blues, tans) 3. lower rise - sit about like levis do below the waist 4. fit a little snugger, but not too snug I am short and thick, with very thick theighs. any suggestions?