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Nice 4 Button Suit?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by FulfilledDeer, Jun 17, 2011.

  1. GiltEdge

    GiltEdge Senior member

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    This is a hybrid of a type of english sport coat. I forget the name of it, but now people would think it is costume. I have an old picture of a Flusser RTW one from 1997 at Saks, if I can find it, I'll upload it to explain what it is.
     
  2. FulfilledDeer

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    I think a four-button SB can work, but it would take work to make it work. We today are used to having the V of the lapels do most of the work in suggesting the masculine inverted triangle. If the V is very short, as with a four-button SB, something else has to take on that job. The way to do it is to have the coat made with strong waist suppression and probably also a clean, close chest. Something like John Steed here with his high-buttoning 3B. That pinched waist and strong shoulders look will counterbalance the mass of monochrome that the whole upper body presents with a four-button SB. Unfortunately, it also means the coat would probably have to be bespoke, unless you were unbelievably lucky and found some Edwardian piece that fit.

    This explains why NBA players, despite their long torsos, still look a bit strange in 4-button SB coats: if they are lounge-coat length, they tend not to have enough waist suppression to draw the eye to the shoulders. So their torsos end up looking like massive rectangles.




    Huh. That seems like a brilliant explanation to me. I was getting depressed because I was looking at another....regular looking suit when I really wanted something a bit different. Do you have any other suggestions/guidelines? I like that 3 button with the high gorge - I guess that's why I'm not adamantly against a 4 button (because I've seen 3 buttons that go way up).

    What about a 4 roll 3?
     
  3. Duff_Man

    Duff_Man Senior member

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    I had a navy 4-button jacket with gold buttons tailored for cheap in Shanghai. I wear it as a novelty to hipster concerts paired with a ludicrous graphic t-shirt. I cannot imagine any serious implementation of 4 button.
     
  4. Testudo_Aubreii

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    Huh. That seems like a brilliant explanation to me. I was getting depressed because I was looking at another....regular looking suit when I really wanted something a bit different. Do you have any other suggestions/guidelines? I like that 3 button with the high gorge - I guess that's why I'm not adamantly against a 4 button (because I've seen 3 buttons that go way up).

    What about a 4 roll 3?


    Sorry, that's about all I can come up with. A true 4 roll 3, instead of a 4 roll 3.5, would lessen the vertical effect of all the buttons and the long jacket edge, to be sure. But I think what the members here dislike isn't so much the long-line-of-buttons effect. It's more the lack of any sizeable open V between the lapels, where this isn't counterbalanced by Steed's pinched waist and definite shoulders. This is why high-buttoning 3B suits, too, are often trashed on SF. There's a good thread on that, with DocHolliday standing up for (some) high 3Bs, like Steed's. In fact, I stole many of these ideas from him.

    I guess it would depend on where the 4 roll 3 rolled to. If it rolled to where a moderate 3B has the top button, it would effectively be a moderate 3B with an extra button.
     
  5. Wjleier

    Wjleier Senior member

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    four button suits have style!!




    .... like a cast iron pan full of smashed and seared assholes!!!!
     
  6. delborrell

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    While the suit looks good, the 4 button design in general only works for certain body types (this particular cut, especially). You should probably consider a 3 button suit.
     
  7. delborrell

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    While the suit looks good, the 4 button design in general only works for certain body types (this particular cut, especially). You should probably consider a 3 button suit.
     
  8. delborrell

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    While the suit looks good, the 4 button design in general only works for certain body types (this particular cut, especially). You should probably consider a 3 button suit.
     

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