I have an extra pair of these lying around. They are the 8.5D Fifth Avenue model in walnut made for Brooks Brothers; the difference being that these are marked Brooks Brothers and have the "topy" rubber sole. These ARE seconds. The only flaws I can notice on these are a few areas of very slight discoloration in the leather (I'm keeping the ones that have more flaws). I have confirmed they can be resoled/crafted by AE whenever needed. I have not even tried this pair on, they were ordered directly from the AE shoe bank. $150135 shipped CONUS.