New York's Top Pizzaman Heads to SF!

[itsstillmatt]

Originally Posted by Roikins

Sounds like Flour + Water might have some competition.
F+W is awful. What a disappointment.

 

[Rambo]

Originally Posted by Roikins

Sounds like Flour + Water might have some competition.
There's a pizza joint named Flour + Water? Srsly?

 

[kwilkinson]

Originally Posted by Rambo

There's a pizza joint named Flour + Water? Srsly?

http://flourandwater.com/

I've heard a lot of incredible reviews and I've heard a lot of terrible reviews. When I'm in SF in a few weeks, I'll eat there and let you know. You can trust my review----- but only mine.

 

[Manton]

Originally Posted by fredfred

In large part Manhattan is one large grid. There are 10 avenues running north/south, and let's call it 90 streets running east/west. That's about 4+ miles long and a little over 1.5 miles wide. That's 6 square miles... maybe 10. It's not all that large of a place. And the grid makes it pretty easy to know where things are located.

San Francisco, by comparison - is 7.5 miles wide (Bay to Breakers), and roughly 4 miles north/south (Marina to Castro's southern edge). That's 30 sq miles. So SF covers a lot more territory.

BUT.... people in NYC are pretty sharp, relatively. I met people in SF who were absolutely clueless about geography.

Manhattan is 24 square miles and SF is 49.

 

[gomestar]

Originally Posted by kwilkinson

These threads, and NY'ers in general, always amaze me. You guys talk about any spot in the city and it's like everybody already knows automatically where it is and exactly how far it is from them and how long it takes them to get there. I haven't found that with any other city, at least not to the same degree.

a few factors:
- most city people know where Una Pizza is, it has been in the Times like 8 damn times in the past few months. It even got it own column when it closed, as you can see.
- Gridded streets help
- The East side is pretty much limited to 1 uptown/downtown train (6, or 4/5 for express) so estimating how long it is to get places on the East side is quite easy.
- Neighborhoods tend to be quite small. When somebody says Tribeca, while it is a neighborhood of sorts, I could walk the perimeter during my lunch hour after eating lunch.

 

[Roikins]

Originally Posted by iammatt

F+W is awful. What a disappointment.

Is it? People I've talked to rave about it, but I haven't had a chance to get to it. A friend's co-worker told me it reminded him of Mozza's pizza, and I'm a fan of their pizza, so I've been eager to find a way to F+W. What was awful about it?

 

[romafan]

Originally Posted by fredfred

In large part Manhattan is one large grid. There are 10 avenues running north/south, and let's call it 90 streets running east/west. That's about 4+ miles long and a little over 1.5 miles wide. That's 6 square miles... maybe 10. It's not all that large of a place. And the grid makes it pretty easy to know where things are located.

San Francisco, by comparison - is 7.5 miles wide (Bay to Breakers), and roughly 4 miles north/south (Marina to Castro's southern edge). That's 30 sq miles. So SF covers a lot more territory.

BUT.... people in NYC are pretty sharp, relatively. I met people in SF who were absolutely clueless about geography.

Originally Posted by Manton

Manhattan is 24 square miles and SF is 49.

You must be including the ethnic parts...

 

[shoreman1782]

WTF, there was great pizza in Point Pleasant?! The fact that anyone in SF is clamoring for something that came from Point Pleasant is amusing.

 

[itsstillmatt]

Originally Posted by Roikins

Is it? People I've talked to rave about it, but I haven't had a chance to get to it. A friend's co-worker told me it reminded him of Mozza's pizza, and I'm a fan of their pizza, so I've been eager to find a way to F+W. What was awful about it?
The pizza is only average, and, other than the Margherita, is generally emblematic of what is wrong with Italian food in the US... the need to ruin great, simple things with excess ingredients. The non pizza dishes were kind of hit and miss. A squid ink pasta was practically inedible, and what wasn't bad tasting was generally unremarkable.

 

[Parker]

A new place called Pucinella just opened in North Beach that is supposedly authentic Naples style. Anyone tried it?

 

[stylesmurf]

Anyone have a *great* pizza joint to recommend in lower Manhattan? Mostly into plain pies and margarita pizzas only.

 

[romafan]

Originally Posted by stylesmurf

Anyone have a *great* pizza joint to recommend in lower Manhattan? Mostly into plain pies and margarita pizzas only.

Lower = below 14th St., Houston, Canal, Chambers? Many newcomers:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/di...a&st=cse&scp=5

Old standbys still good: John's, Arturo's, Lombardi's

 

[Roikins]

Originally Posted by iammatt

The pizza is only average, and, other than the Margherita, is generally emblematic of what is wrong with Italian food in the US... the need to ruin great, simple things with excess ingredients. The non pizza dishes were kind of hit and miss. A squid ink pasta was practically inedible, and what wasn't bad tasting was generally unremarkable.

Ah, I was under the impression that they were trying to go the simple route only offering a few different pizzas. I rarely get anything other than a pizza at these places anyway, so I think I'm at least safe from their bad pasta.

 

[itsstillmatt]

Originally Posted by Parker

A new place called Pucinella just opened in North Beach that is supposedly authentic Naples style. Anyone tried it?
Going tonight. Will report back.

 

[gdl203]

Originally Posted by stylesmurf

Anyone have a *great* pizza joint to recommend in lower Manhattan? Mostly into plain pies and margarita pizzas only.

Best surprise in my neighborhood recently is Emporio. Great pizza - too many biancas though. Used to love Lil Frankie's but it has gone downhill. That place on Carmine (No 28?) also puts out a very good pizza. None of these are "NY style" pizza - which I personally dislike