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new designer in menswear doing research (*US patented dress shirt collars*)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by eric glennie, Jun 26, 2007.

  1. antirabbit

    antirabbit Senior member

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    Did anyone take a gander at his pricing?

    He has to be a disturbed man.
    He mentions Picasso....
    is there not at least hundreds of thousands of failed attempts of creative emulations that results in complete abomination, that in turn get compared to the work of true masters in defense of their utter failure?
    Eric, some advice:
    Creation does not come from a deliberate attempt at rocking the boat. People like Picasso, Bill Gates, Stravinsky, Einstien, were all and are all very highly skilled, highly intelligent, and highly gifted examples of innovation. They did not dedicate themselves to altercation of an aesthetic, but simply could not listen to anything but the little voice in their heads that drove them to create, coupled with the amazing skill at which they were gifted with from day one.
    You are trying to convince us that your designs are innovative (which they are not), and worse, attractive (ugly would be a creative and generous term to describe your designs, perhaps you can use that in your higly effective marketing).
    I would suggest anything but what you are doing. Perhaps, you have some skill in sewing? You could start hand making some attractive shirts and sell them at that price. You are not an innovator, you have a horrible aesthetic, you are not a creator. You simply are not. Not even remotely close.
     


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    Kiton suit
    Brioni tie
    E.Glennie shirt
    NM belt
    Byford socks
    JL balmorals
     


  3. eric glennie

    eric glennie Senior member

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    thanks gentlemen for all your advice. i am reading and listening, but wont give up. having $20k invested in patents, spent lots of $$ in samples, i am not going down without a fight. as you can tell from my website, i am not blessed with a lot of money. if i dont put my "seeds" out there, i will never succeed which i believe someday will happen. these designs are too unique to get passed up by a fashion world looking for creativity and innovation. i am not quitting my day job anytime soon. This is market research gentlemen and i really appreicate all your opinions and comments so keep them coming. thanks eric
     


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    "i am not quitting my day job anytime soon."

    This is the first reasonable thing you have said yet.
     


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    [​IMG] Good one Hoff!
     


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    That is NOT funny. [​IMG]

    Jon.
     


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    Ok Eric, kudos on taking your vision, patenting it, and bringing it to market. Pushing a new design, such as yours, can be a very hit or miss proposition as you can tell from the reactions thus far. Some thoughts:

    1. As others have mentioned, fix your website....this is free! Also stop posting on Craigslist. I'm not spending $200 on a dress shirt from Craisglist. Grammatical correctness is a must, and maybe find a better photograph of yourself. It's not bad, but I couldn't get through your pricing explanation with you staring at me like that.

    2. Look into the MAGIC convention that occurs in Feb. and I think Aug. in Las Vegas. This is the largest clothing convention attended by all aspects of the clothing industry. If you really want to get some feedback consider manning a booth of your own for the event and see if you can garner any interest.

    3. Take the feedback you receive to heart and really consider any further investment. Again, your drive is apparent but if you aren't providing something that people want (or are even willing to accept) then you are just pissing into the wind my friend.
     


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    having $20k invested in patents, spent lots of $$ in samples,
    I feel bad for you
     


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    Ok Eric, kudos on taking your vision, patenting it, and bringing it to market. Pushing a new design, such as yours, can be a very hit or miss proposition as you can tell from the reactions thus far. Some thoughts:

    1. As others have mentioned, fix your website....this is free! Also stop posting on Craigslist. I'm not spending $200 on a dress shirt from Craisglist. Grammatical correctness is a must, and maybe find a better photograph of yourself. It's not bad, but I couldn't get through your pricing explanation with you staring at me like that.

    2. Look into the MAGIC convention that occurs in Feb. and I think Aug. in Las Vegas. This is the largest clothing convention attended by all aspects of the clothing industry. If you really want to get some feedback consider manning a booth of your own for the event and see if you can garner any interest.

    3. Take the feedback you receive to heart and really consider any further investment. Again, your drive is apparent but if you aren't providing something that people want (or are even willing to accept) then you are just pissing into the wind my friend.


    He went about this the wrong way. Seriously, NO ONE in their right mind would pay $130 for a shirt from his website. The website looks like a 5-year-old made it; you can't even see cloth selections, much less any other options. Where are the pictures and descriptions of the 500 shirting's available? I'm not trying to be an ass, but no self respecting business person could accept that website as a perfect good launching pad for a new business venture. Given a good week and a few hours per day and he could come up with a much better website using MS FrontPage (or some other simple web program).

    Jon.
     


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    I feel bad for you

    I don't know whether to laugh till I piss my pants or cry.

    Jon.
     


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    I don't know whether to laugh till I piss my pants or cry.

    Jon.


    I feel like I dont know either but Im laughing
    I think I should be crying also
     


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    I think you guys are nitpicking with the website. Isnt Jantzen nearly as bad?

    Basically, the problem is the product. If the product kicked ass we wouldnt care how socially inept the guy was, or how bad his site looked. Anyone seen AAAC lately?
     


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    Well I think at least one of the two has to be good. The product sucks and he has it patented. Hes spent more then 20k on the product. I dont think he would like to throw it away and start over. So maybe he should try to focus on the website. If that doesnt work then nothing will because the product just plain sucks.
     


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    I think you guys are nitpicking with the website. Isnt Jantzen nearly as bad?

    Basically, the problem is the product. If the product kicked ass we wouldnt care how socially inept the guy was, or how bad his site looked. Anyone seen AAAC lately?


    fair point. I mean, lots of us buy from Plal and Yoox, which are far from user friendly. Why do we go there? Good stuff at great prices... E Glennie has ludicrously awful shit at top-shelf prices.
     


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    E Glennie has ludicrously awful shit at top-shelf prices.
    ROFL
     


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