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New car for an upwardly mobile young professional

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by ektaylor, Jan 6, 2011.

  1. whiteslashasian

    whiteslashasian Senior member

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    That Kia looks sharp for an $18k car.
     
  2. ennui

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    I saw many Optimas in Seoul last year. I remember thinking to myself that it would instantly be the most attractive-looking car in its class if they brought it stateside. Though the wheels are somewhat polarizing.
     
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    DocHolliday Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    What do you guys find appealing about that Kia over, say, a Civic? I can't say the front end is doing it for me, though the side isn't bad.
     
  4. rjakapeanut

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    can someone explain what "upwardly mobile" even means?

    what a jackass lol
     
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    can someone explain what "upwardly mobile" even means?

    what a jackass lol


    It generally means your future social and financial prospects are bright because of your job. Its not a particularly sinister phrase.
     
  6. rjakapeanut

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    It generally means your future social and financial prospects are bright because of your job. Its not a particularly sinister phrase.

    yeah but the guy is a pretty big douche for putting that in the title, hahahahahaha
     
  7. username79

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    What do you guys find appealing about that Kia over, say, a Civic? I can't say the front end is doing it for me, though the side isn't bad.
    See one in person. It is very striking. I'm a car guy. I can tell, even before I can even make out what make or model a car is, that a car is something special. The Kia got me good. When light hits it, it plays off certain angles and you can tell it was designed to be aesthetically pleasing. The Civic is much like the Corolla. Completely innocuous and forgettable, designed to be a reliable A-B car with no passion or interest. I often wonder how anyone can actually have "pride" in owning something so bland. The Kia is quite refreshing, much like the Genesis Coupe is in the next segment up. This ad sums it up: "no one ever dreamed of driving a mid sized sedan, until now." Notice the focus on the lines of the car, the rev counter increasing, the lights on the dash, and the *sound*, the engine sound! Maybe the engine even sounds like that, rather than the high pitched nasal whine of the Honda/Toyota engines since around '08. Suddenly, an economy car that someone might actually enjoy driving! The commercial is very effective:
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    TIP: to embed Youtube clips, put only the encoded part of the Youtube URL, e.g. eBGIQ7ZuuiU between the tags. It is exciting to see the potential return of desirable cars in the low price segment. When I was growing up, there were many affordable cars one could actually want to own. The MR2, Celica GT-S, Acura Integra Type R, RSX, etc. all come to mind. What has there been in the last decade? A Civic with a three foot dash? The Scion Tc? What happened?
     
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    What an hideous and odious combination of words: upwardly mobile young professional.
    They are quite common in the Bay Area and Seattle ... less so in the San Juan Islands. I so love the San Juans.
     
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    Toyota Camry
     
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    They are quite common in the Bay Area and Seattle ... less so in the San Juan Islands. I so love the San Juans.

    Also common in NYC.
     
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    In 1990 I got a used 2 year old mercerdes 190. It had about 20K miles on it. It cost $20K. I drove it almost for 10 years, getting to about 120K miles. Sold it for $5K. It went another 80K miles.

    I took care of it. It looked new for the 1st 7 years of it's existence with me. I got laid because of it ("I've never done it in a Mercedes". Umm, ok). Driving a "new" mercedes has an impact on people. I could tell when I'd open the doors for girls and let them in it. They were surprised and impressed I had one. I'm pointing out facts I noticed, nothing else. It surprised me how much of an impact it had.

    One of the best purchases I've ever made. Loved the car.

    I wouldn't expect 200K miles out of a hyundai. Take care of a benz and it can go to 250K or 300K.
     
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    It is exciting to see the potential return of desirable cars in the low price segment. When I was growing up, there were many affordable cars one could actually want to own. The MR2, Celica GT-S, Acura Integra Type R, RSX, etc. all come to mind. What has there been in the last decade? A Civic with a three foot dash? The Scion Tc? What happened?
    You grew up between 1984 (GT-S) and about 2001 (RSX)? 17 years is a long ass time. The RSX is and the newest Civic look almost the same and the base models have essentially the same engine (the type-S had a larger HP engine). The Kia isn't bad looking at all. But why buy a low-end sedan made by a company that the average buyer thinks is terrible and cheap and will have no resale value? That's where Honda and, less so, Toyota come in. Reliable, good gas mileage, potential to get some of your sunk capital back when you upgrade. Kia has none of these, at least not historically, so it takes a leap of faith to get someone to buy one.
     
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    You grew up between 1984 (GT-S) and about 2001 (RSX)? 17 years is a long ass time.

    The RSX is and the newest Civic look almost the same and the base models have essentially the same engine (the type-S had a larger HP engine).

    The Kia isn't bad looking at all. But why buy a low-end sedan made by a company that the average buyer thinks is terrible and cheap and will have no resale value? That's where Honda and, less so, Toyota come in. Reliable, good gas mileage, potential to get some of your sunk capital back when you upgrade. Kia has none of these, at least not historically, so it takes a leap of faith to get someone to buy one.


    Agreed. Honda/Toyota/Nissan would be better buys.
     
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    The RSX is and the newest Civic look almost the same and the base models have essentially the same engine (the type-S had a larger HP engine).
    I was referring to the 1999+ GT-S, the ones that would rev to 8400rpm. The fantastically fun to drive rockets Toyota replaced with the tC. The RSX was/could easily be a hot car, especially in Type-S trim. The new Civic has been ugly in all iterations. You're ignoring details. The RSX was fun to drive; the interior was focused on the driver. The next generation Civic removed the "fun to drive" quotient, redesigned the interior to make it .. simply ugly? .. and added a ton of weight. Honda stopped caring about making their cars attractive sometime in the early 2000s, instead focusing on efficient cars that were also so obviously ugly that they became somewhat endearing, a la the Fit. Nissan makes some decent cars, but not in this segment (Sentra?). An Altima 2.5S coupe ends up being priced in the mid to high 20s, where the Genesis Coupe is now shitting on just about everything.
    The Kia isn't bad looking at all. But why buy a low-end sedan made by a company that the average buyer thinks is terrible and cheap and will have no resale value?
    I believe this is something the company (their ad agency) is working very hard to change. If the Optima is any indication, they are going to be successful. They have a 10 year/100,000 mile warranty. Last time I looked at Honda they were still only offering 3 yrs. Things may have changed.. I would love to see some competition for Honda/Nissan/Toyota. In my opinion, these automakers abandoned their roots (especially Honda). They once produced cars for people who enjoyed the sensation of driving, but decided sometime in the early 2000s to make strictly utilitarian penalty boxes. If a competitor can create a beautiful and enjoyable car that is also reliable and has a warranty several times better than Honda's, for the same or less price, then this is great news!
     
  15. longskate88

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    In 1990 I got a used 2 year old mercerdes 190. It had about 20K miles on it. It cost $20K. I drove it almost for 10 years, getting to about 120K miles. Sold it for $5K. It went another 80K miles. I took care of it. It looked new for the 1st 7 years of it's existence with me. I got laid because of it ("I've never done it in a Mercedes". Umm, ok). Driving a "new" mercedes has an impact on people. I could tell when I'd open the doors for girls and let them in it. They were surprised and impressed I had one. I'm pointing out facts I noticed, nothing else. It surprised me how much of an impact it had. One of the best purchases I've ever made. Loved the car. I wouldn't expect 200K miles out of a hyundai. Take care of a benz and it can go to 250K or 300K.
    Me neither, more like 500K [​IMG] My '96 Civic has 260K, and that's a 14 year old car. Seems like cars should last even longer these days.
     
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    Also common in NYC.
    Style Forum as well ... or so it seems.
     
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    I'd pick something more timeless in your situation. E30 through E46 M3s and W113 and R107 SLs and the like come to mind.

    As cynical as I can be, I dig where the Korean companies are going with design, far more so than the Japanese. However, almost any car made in a certain year looks dated shortly thereafter if it's not truly timeless. The best way to check for that is to go after cars that have withstood that test.

    The E46 M is too soon as far as timeless, but there are many cars you'd hardly be embarrassed to run around town yourself in or shuttle a woman or boss around in five to ten years from now.

    Upkeep might be expensive, but so will depreciation on a newer car. Plus, do you think a Genesis or Civic will have a similar appeal of unique sexiness in five years? They might still carry the body lines, a warranty, and a tidy engine, but it will, almost certainly, look dated in five to ten years.

    My 2 cents.
     
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    I'd say go with the Koreans - you get a new car and a killer warranty.

    Here is the thing, if you are "upwardly mobile" you will have more money relatively soon. You can ditch the car if the brand name doesn't work for you. If your plans don't work out, you aren't stuck with a huge car payment or high repair bills.

    And you aren't the douche lower level exec that is driving around in a car nicer than your bosses. Believe me, people will comment and will not look kindly on it.
     
  19. Fuuma

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    If you're upwardly mobile don't get a car, just fly to work.
     
  20. Ben85

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    In 1990 I got a used 2 year old mercerdes 190. It had about 20K miles on it. It cost $20K. I drove it almost for 10 years, getting to about 120K miles. Sold it for $5K. It went another 80K miles.

    I took care of it. It looked new for the 1st 7 years of it's existence with me. I got laid because of it ("I've never done it in a Mercedes". Umm, ok). Driving a "new" mercedes has an impact on people. I could tell when I'd open the doors for girls and let them in it. They were surprised and impressed I had one. I'm pointing out facts I noticed, nothing else. It surprised me how much of an impact it had.

    One of the best purchases I've ever made. Loved the car.

    I wouldn't expect 200K miles out of a hyundai. Take care of a benz and it can go to 250K or 300K.


    How can you not expect 200k out of a Hyundai? An old one I can understand, but the new ones have some of the best warranties available. Take care of any car and you can easily hit 250-300k The difference between the Benz and the Hyundai is, that the Hyundai is gonna be a lot cheaper to fix.
     

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