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New 911 GT2

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by fritzl, Jul 17, 2007.

  1. Tokyo Slim

    Tokyo Slim Senior member

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    7:15@the Ring is incredible! How much does this base model cost (roughly)?
    Credible rumors place it around $65-68k for the base model.-
     
  2. DNW

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    Credible rumors place it around $65-68k for the base model.-

    That's a little stiff for a Nissan, even a GTR.
     
  3. Tokyo Slim

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    That's a little stiff for a Nissan, even a GTR.

    Um... I suppose you could look at it that way.

    I prefer to look at it as the least expensive vehicle in the performance supercar class in the world.
     
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    One Japanese car that had an edge over a European counterpart was the old Datsun Fairlady which had a gearbox designed by Porsche. Its competition were the English MGs and such.
     
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    One Japanese car that had an edge over a European counterpart was the old Datsun Fairlady which had a gearbox designed by Porsche. Its competition were the English MGs and such.

    Fabulous
     
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    One Japanese car that had an edge over a European counterpart was the old Datsun Fairlady which had a gearbox designed by Porsche. Its competition were the English MGs and such.

    and a nice design copied from Jaguar [​IMG]
     
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    and a nice design copied from Jaguar [​IMG]
    The Datsun/Nissan Fairlady roadsters have always been their own car. I don't think you can fairly compare their designs more than extremely superficially to a Jag. In fact, if anything, the pre- Z Fairlady's owe more to the MG and Austin Healy than anything else, if in fact such a comparison were even logical.
     
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    The Datsun/Nissan Fairlady roadsters have always been their own car. I don't think you can fairly compare their designs more than extremely superficially to a Jag. In fact, if anything, the pre- Z Fairlady's owe more to the MG and Austin Healy than anything else, if in fact such a comparison were even logical.

    The Fairlady Z concept was made to be a poor man`s E-type, and the design was taken directly from there.
     
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    The Fairlady Z concept was made to be a poor man`s E-type, and the design was taken directly from there.
    The Fairlady Z concept was designed by Albrecht Graf von Goertz. The same person who designed the 2000GT. He had started designing the 2000GT for Nissan in 1960 before the E-type had even come out. So if anything, Jaguar ripped off his design for the E-type. The Fairlady Z was also based on the design from 1960. Although, like I said before, they are really very different cars. Comparing pictures of them reveals nothing more than a superficial shape similarity which has more to do with them all being GT cars than anything else. [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    The Fairlady Z concept was designed by Albrecht Graf von Goertz. The same person who designed the 2000GT. He had started designing the 2000GT for Nissan in 1960 before the E-type had even come out. So if anything, Jaguar ripped off his design for the E-type. The Fairlady Z was also based on the design from 1960. Although, like I said before, they are really very different cars. Comparing pictures of them reveals nothing more than a superficial shape similarity which has more to do with them all being GT cars than anything else.

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    Sorry I forgot all about the 2000GT (on of my favorite Japanese cars). The E-type came first, then the 2000GTs mission was to copy the E-type, but make it better (as you can see from the design). The Z was a cheap version of the 2 more expensive cars (E-type and 2000GT)

    Here`s a good overview on how it all happened;

    http://www.motortrend.com/classic/c1...son/index.html

    Like you said, the Nissan Z and Toyota 2000GT designs are much related, because they were working together in the beginning. The E-type debuted in 1961, well before the other 2 so the original honors has to go to the E-type. All of the documentaries I have seen of the 2000GT and Z mention that the designs were copied from the E-type too.
     
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    I've never liked those stupid spoilers that Porsche put on their cars around 75(?). And, the ones that rise automatically as speed increases are no better looking.
     
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    I've never liked those stupid spoilers that Porsche put on their cars around 75(?). And, the ones that rise automatically as speed increases are no better looking.
    I can understand from an aesthetic perspective, however due to their design (rear engine) , at high speeds it become almost necessary.

    Look at the history of the 911, and the role the front and rear spoilers played into their performance.
     
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    I can understand from an aesthetic perspective, however due to their design (rear engine) , at high speeds it become almost necessary.

    Look at the history of the 911, and the role the front and rear spoilers played into their performance.


    Also, the whale-tails are iconic. Their culmination in their last true form ended with the 993 turbo, and its sublime whale-tail.

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    Jon.
     
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    Also, the whale-tails are iconic. Their culmination in their last true form ended with the 993 turbo, and its sublime whale-tail.

    Jon.


    The whale-tail is so effective it's been copied to stabilize other back ends as well.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Southern-Nupe: I understand the need for the spoilers. I Just think they could design them to be both functional and beautiful. Maybe Frank Loyd Wright could help. [​IMG]
     
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    Also, the whale-tails are iconic. Their culmination in their last true form ended with the 993 turbo, and its sublime whale-tail.

    [​IMG]

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    Jon.

    That's simply orgasmic.
     
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    Southern-Nupe: I understand the need for the spoilers. I Just think they could design them to be both functional and beautiful. Maybe Frank Loyd Wright could help. [​IMG]
    I know where you're coming from, after the 993, the tail began to take on more of a boy racer appearance.
     

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