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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Berko1se, Apr 7, 2013.

  1. mensimageconsultant

    mensimageconsultant Senior member

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    For example, Andy's site, though someone probably wouldn't start a thread there about clothing for nightclubs.

    It's much more than 1% where a pocket square on a young person gets a negative reaction. Most people keep unkind thoughts to themselves, but even so this site has had stories about squares being grabbed by others in clubs. Only a ballsy young person can easily 'rock' the pocket square.
     
  2. MyOtherLife

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    as you are not ready for the reds, some other options would be Forest Green, Olive Drab, Taupe, Rust, Mustard. They are 'safe' colours you may want to explore in casual pants when you are ready. Also, textures can provide some boredom relief. A few suggestions: Twill, Micro Corduroy, Wale Cord, Whipcord, Linen, Moleskin, Hemp, etc. Patterns can be fun too. Try Windowpane at least once in your life. Hope this helps.
     
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  3. kasakka

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    Just read the stuff on fit, suit details and colors here and ignore what's "classic" or "proper" for now.

    Without knowing what you look like (are you thin, athletic, overweight, tall, short etc) it's hard to recommend anything specific but I'd go with a good looking pair of brown or tan shoes (oxfords - learn the stylings so you don't end up with square toed monstrosities) and a sportcoat in some shade of blue ranging from navy to light blue if you're feeling bold.

    As current fashion favors very high gorge and buttoning point, it might be a better idea to check out your local thrift stores first. You might find something that looks cool but has a more classic construction, not to mention at a much friendlier price. Find one that fits well in the shoulders and decently elsewhere and then take it to a tailor to get sleeves the right length and if needed waist taken in.

    As you're still under 30, going to a night club in a full blown suit can be a bit over dressed, hence just the sportcoat. Of course if you have the right attitude and confidence you can pull it off.
     
  4. Berko1se

    Berko1se New Member

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    Thank you to everyone that contributed here. I really appreciate your help and suggestions.



    (On that note.....is this guy serious?)
     
  5. Quadcammer

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    I'm absolutely serious. Proper use of the English language is more important than the clothes you wear.
     
  6. AmericanGent

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    .....double post.....
     
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    I was just typing the same thing.

    OP, Quad was just giving you a gentle reminder that style is not just about your clothing. It is about how you present yourself in total. The clothing it just an extension of the man.
    Dangling your prepositions can take away from that image.

    Don't let it rub you the wrong way. We are all here to learn from each other.
     
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    Quad, just a friendly reminder, the internet is global. :)
     
  9. Quadcammer

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    The OP talks about Chicago, so I made the assumption that we were dealing with something familiar with English. If I'm wrong, I apologize, but improving one's spoken/written English is important regardless of origin. In my opinion proper grammar is sorely lacking in this country.
     
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    And this forum could use more global participation. I live abroad and my wife is not a native English speaker. No lack of forgiveness for those developing language skills. My Italian is horrible.
    I don't suspect that this is the case, but I could be wrong.
     
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    .....double post......
     
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  12. AmericanGent

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    My iPad is double posting like crazy.
     
  13. MyOtherLife

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    I too would like to improve my English, and I was borne in America. I agree with you that English in America has suffered. I have watched language, social skills, etiquette, morality, etc. all go down the toilet over the last 30 years. That old movie, Blade Runner comes to mind. In 1982, the film projected a future culture where the language spoken was called CitySpeak, which was a combination of languages and slang all rolled into one. Whoever forsaw this was brilliant, for it has come to pass.
    If memory serves, there are over 400,000 words in the English language. 30 years ago, it was estimated that the average American posesed a 15,000 word vocabulary. Today, it is more like only 5,000 words. That is devestating. Also, English, like many other languages, can take only years to learn, but a lifetime to master. Language, as you know, can be pursued to even an art form. I would agree that the decline and destruction of words is a crime.
    That same destruction of words was foretold in George Orwell's 1948 novel, Nineteen Eighty-Four and in that book, English was called NewSpeak. What can we do? It is the same with Classic Menswear. We see the decline of better times and a better way of life and all we can do is hold the post to try to keep it alive as long as possible. Yet at the same time we must adapt, lest we be deemed by a younger and unknowing generation as being dinosaurs. The most valuable of commodities, after information, in my opinion, would be patience. Whatever we know, someone somewhere had patience with us. I feel that the price for this, is to give back patience and encouragement as there will always be those coming after who wish to learn. People and knowledge are rivers and they will flow. This is probably why this forum exists as well, so in that spirit, 'Yo Yo Homey' :)
     
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  14. Hayward

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    I'll try to answer this, while keeping in mind that business dress is not included here.

    Shoes: one or more pairs of retro styled sneakers that you'll keep clean, such as Chuck Taylor's or Stan Smiths. At least one pair of lace up leather shoes, preferably brown, such as Allen Edmonds. Good quality boat shoes such as Sebago Schooners can be the second pair of leather shoes.

    Trousers: jeans that you shrink to fit yourself. A pair of good Khakis, like Bill's. A pair of wool herringbone or flannel pants in grey. A plain robust brown leather belt that is 1.5 inches wide.

    Shirts: plain colored tees in various muted flattering colors. Crew neck for wearing under sweaters. V necks for wearing alone in warm weather. If the v necks prove unflattering go with polos instead. Button down shirts, with button down collars, in white, light blue, maybe pink if it works. Stripes are optional. Turtlenecks if climate dictates.

    Outerwear: v neck sweater and or cardigan. Harrington jacket. Navy wool blazer. Perhaps a corduroy or tweed sport coat. Peacoat or Barbour coat, sized to fit well over sweater or blazer/ sport coat. Depending on climate, a wool scarf or muffler in a solid color. Stay away from bomber jackets unless you can afford good ones. The cheap ones always look like crap. Also they tend to fit big so you'd need to size down. Olive green parka or M65 type army coat if you can find a good one, no insignia of any kind on it. These are often oversized in fit so size down.

    Hats: small crown cotton ball cap with subtle logo of some obscure organization or team, never a clothing brand. Remove the button on top. Wool watch cap for cold weather. Driving or newsboy cap. Short brim fishing cap for rain. Stay away from fedoras or trilbys with this type of wardrobe.

    Black knit tie, just in case.
     
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  15. daka doe

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    I just got my husband two new suits at Rubensteins in New Orleans. They are slim suits on sale for $395. He has a navy suit so I got him a grey suit and light brown. Hopefully this will round out his small wardrobe since they can be broken up and worn with sportcoats and sportswear. Wish us luck.
     

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