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Neckties: A Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Claghorn, Sep 15, 2015.

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  1. Sam Hober

    Sam Hober Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I will do more military designs - speaking of regimental history when you have time please email me with a couple of paragraphs that you would like in the tie description.

    I think writing about the history is really important and I have not done enough of this.
     
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    Will do, thank you for asking. Our regimental history is something we are particularly proud of so having it included on the description would be an honor.
     
  3. TweedyProf

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    @Sam Hober

    David, have you thought about offering more in the realm of patterned raw silks (stripes or medallions) but also other silk fabrics like tussah silk in solids? For those, Drake's seems to be the best source in terms of most varied offerings. I've not found other shantung/tussah offerings I've liked (Patrizio seems not to stock much in that regard). I know you have the Thai silks, perhaps that you die in your operation?
     
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    I have already given over 90% of my life to machines, which tell me when to eat, sleep, and brush my teeth (they don't brush them for me -- yet), populate spreadsheets for me and send e-mails while I sleep, and facilitate no coins or printed money ever passing these hands. Unfortunately, the tax sheet, particularly the US one, is a laughable 100s of pages, the kind of thing that seems deliberately sadistically designed: "Column A65? You'll have to file Form B-42, unless you are an S99 entity, in which case you need to ask at Window B6 for the BLUE form, on which you should check Box 4 of every odd-numbered page, unless you are type O negative blood of it is a full moon, in which case you will need the BLACK form, unlocked only by beating level 99 of the negative world and pressing up, up, down, down, a, b, select start and drawing a pentagram on the floor with blood drawn from your pinky finger using Pricking Shard B-62, available at the DMV upon presentation of a Light Motor Vehicle License."

    In my opinion all of this shit should be given to CPAs, the more the better, so they can collect their nasty fees and leave you with precious time in this short life to do anything other than trying to beat level 99 of the negative world, which is really hard on account of the jumping Koopa-Troopas.

    David, one of the many hats I wear, in addition to Tyrolean hats with feathers in them and beer hats with curly straws, is copywriter and extreme text producer extraordinaire, churning out 100s and 100s of pages daily for man, woman, and beast, from stick-on eyelashes for teens to research reports for think tanks. Do not hesitate to contact me for all of your text-churning needs. In fact, I am in the midst of a nice little bout of tendonitis brought on by extreme computing. I didn't use my special ergonomic stenographer's keyboard for a week and I am suffering the consequences. But no, not advertising per se, I think that's rather a low bar. Writing two lines for a box of cereal is a cheap trick.
     
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    Oh, and no day job per se -- stopping at night is for quitters. I'm a full-time Styleforum poster
     
  6. Sam Hober

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    Sprout2,

    You are very close to being correct about another concern. Let me add some detail:

    The issue is not exactly being concerned about the finished look - as if we are given directions and we think it is practical we can normally have the tie look good; but more like what happens if old silk is too frayed to sew back together or there is another problem and we have to open up the tie again and use more silk?

    We as normal practice check the balance constantly and we have no concerns if we have a roll of silk on hand to make silk replacements.

    With a different silk we would have to use something similar but not the same.

    We have a very small profit when making our ties and the time required for use to do it correctly when remaking a tie almost has us losing money. Every fabric has different characteristics and learning these attributes takes time.

    You are correct about my not worrying about our brand - we never advertise and simply have fun. My memory is fairly good and I actually remember almost every customer we have ever had. I used to make boats and airplanes as a boy and making ties is an extension of the fun I had.
     
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    "is copywriter and extreme text producer extraordinaire,..."

    I knew it.

    You probably read mad magazine as a kid.
     
  8. sprout2

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    Bingo!
    That and porno magazines
     
  9. Caustic Man

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    You mean National Geographic?
     
  10. sprout2

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    Eurocentrism triggered
     
  11. Sam Hober

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    "TweedyProf"

    In the past we had more rough silks with patterns and they were popular as a small niche; but there were not enough people asking for them.

    Perhaps Patrizo and I think alike - the next time you talk to him tell him that I admire his ties and he is welcome to visit us if he is ever in the north of Thailand.

    In the past we did more dyeing but time has not allowed that sort of work in recent years but I will think about it.

    Thank you for your suggestion.
     
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    Besides, everyone knows the original porno magazine is Encyclopedia Brittanica.
    Looking up the term "sextant" and getting excited.
    You know you've been there.

    Anyone who grew up with HD streaming Internet pornography should be insta-banned from the forum.
     
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  13. Caustic Man

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    See your advisor for information on your nearest safe space. [​IMG]
     
  14. DiplomaticTies

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    Thanks for the kind words!

    I guess that it could vary from different places but I would dare to say that Drake's has in general had a strong influence in Sweden, where I'm from, and inspired especially younger people to wear ties. Menswear trends in Sweden have also been influenced quite a lot by some Asian brands and style icons, and Drake's seem to have a strong foothold in Japan, Korea and Hong Kong for instance. But you know much better than I do to what extent Drake's has actually influenced the business.

    As for fabrics and construction I am very much an amateur and know little of the inner workings of a tie, even if I happen to know a few tiemakers. But my experience is solely from a user's perspective. Charvet is an interesting case since I agree with your comment that their construction can sometimes be surprisingly sloppy for such a famous brand. But they have one redeeming feature that I find unique: all their ties (especially the woven silks) make beautiful knots and they do it from day one. If you ask the people at Charvet how this is they claim that they have special fabrics made for just them. I don't know if that is true, but I have yet to find a Charvet that didn't make a beautiful knot.

    My appreciation for Kiton has a lot to do with consistency. So far I haven't found any ties from Kiton that were not perfectly made. The same goes for Marinella. In other cases quality may vary. Cappelli is an example of this. Usually very good, but sometimes not.

    Your comment that all the Italian name brands are about equal in construction, its all about time and energy, is interesting. I guess that some brands just have a stronger quality control then and are only prepared to accept a perfect product? But in my experience you can still find some regional and even house variations. You have some makers that like to experiment, like Tie Your Tie (even if I think that TYT:s 7-fold, handrolled and completely unlined ties are just a mess), Dolcepunta and Finamore.

    I am ashamed to admit though that my collection does not include any Hobers... What would be a signature Hober tie?
     
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    Who the hell is my advisor? [​IMG]
    Is that what they say at school now?
    Sheesh, I thank my lucky stars I flunked my way through K-12, college, and grad school and drew cartoons on my test sheets. It was slightly harder to cobble together the homework for art school en route to class, but it was doable with a bit of MacGyvering.
     
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    When I read this I can't figure out when you would ever need to wear a tie? Videochats? (No, not the nude ones).
     
  17. Caustic Man

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    Not as much as you'd think.
     
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    When going to dinner with hot babes, duh!
    And when persuading people to do things for me.
    Don't do video chat. All text, all the time.
     
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    I'm not only the president, I'm a member.
    (reference for the Swedish man:

    A wave of calm and contentment ripples over the waves and all is well with the world.
     
  20. DiplomaticTies

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    Porn too?
     

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