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Necktie Guides in Collar?

LabelKing

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I have a few Turnbull & Asser shirts which incorporate two strips of voile-like cloth that serve as a guide or loops for neckties.

I've not seen this elsewhere. Is it an arcane feature?
 

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I don't understand, is it a loop or a strip? Do you have to guide the tie through it before tying?

I'm curious, this could be a good idea. I've always had a hard time with dress shirts, even bespoke ones, in getting the two flaps of the collar to join together nicely and not have tie slippage; maybe this is a solution.
 

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Yes, Label King, it would seem to be a feature that has long been discarded from shirts. I would think that it was featured only on higher quality ready-made or bespoke shirts from the past, like Turnbull & Asser. As chance would have it, I remember seeing a picture some thirty years ago of one of my beau ideals, David Niven, in the process of tying his tie, his turned up collar exposing the channels that you describe.The tie thus secured would not slip below the back of the collar and with the higher collars favored in the seventies, would be kept from falling down in front. Shirtmaven is the expert on such matter, though.
 

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I shall try to post a photo. But yes, they are basically a strip of cloth that is placed ner the two ends of the collar. Imagine belt loops for a necktie.
 
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Looks like a solution in search of a problem to me. Never had any issue keeping a tie under a collar.
 

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I think it depends on the height of the collar and the width of the tie.

I can imagine combinations of those two variables which might cause a genuine difficulty.

Cheers,

Ac
 

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I don't really see these affecting how snug the tie knot is against the apex of the collar points... all these would do is keep the tie from showing in the back of the neck.
 

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