I like to wear waistcoats/vests, particulalry in the fall winter. When I do, I prefer for my tie to kind of billow, or puff out a bit over the V of the vest. So, I tend as I move from sitting to standing to pull my tie up a bit, so it curves away abit from the chest and ever so slighlty rests on the V of the top of the vest (Clear?). Anyway, I was thinking that the way to handle this might be to simply wear a tie clip under the vest in such a way that a littel extra tie fabric is held above the clip so as to create and maintain the slight billowing effect (b/c gravity won't be able to keep pushing it down). Does anyone here use a tie clip? I've seen two kinds: 1) a clip that has a metal spring like device to create tension so that the clip operates a bit like a vice with one end having a serrated edge, and 2) a clip that is not mechanical (my preference) and basically looks like a thin money clip, relying on the tension of the bend in the metal to keep the shirt/tie in place. I prefer the latter, but I'm concerned (I've seen them in 14K gold) if I get a nice one, it might just fall off during the day becasue it doesn't have enough tension in it - Does anyone have any experience with these? Rather a long and odd question - Sorry.