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NBA 2016-2017 Season Thread

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by RFX45, Sep 22, 2010.

  1. HRoi

    HRoi Senior member

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    I just used that as an example because I recently saw someone almost broadside a Ford Econoline full of Korean church goers
     
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    Minnesota is trying to sign Eric Bledsoe to a max contract...

    EDIT: I should add that Minny can't sign him outright to the deal because of cap restrictions, so they have to construct a sign-and-trade with Phoenix.
     
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    Minny forgoes offering Love a 5 year contract to offer Rubio a 5 year contract and they end up not even offering Rubio a 5 year contract
     
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    is rubio a max player though? dude needs to help himself out by making some shots and getting that FG percentage over 40%. otherwise i dont see anyone offering him a max. without getting into his injury history, look at his shooting percentages; atrocious for someone youd like to build a franchise around. yikes

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    ill still be drafting him in the 4th round though for the assists and steals. i think he will improve from last year and i think this new young team will suit his style of play more
     
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  5. indesertum

    indesertum Senior member

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    He's not a max player until his shot improves to average

    But Love was definitely a max player back when he was up for extension. It's obvious in hindsight and it was very obvious back then.

    You're going to need a big with amazing fgp to pair with Rubio tho and a decent FTP. Those are rare and expensive
     
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    I agree with the klove point for whatevr reason the owner never liked appreciated his talent. Even from the beginning there was tension and stupid comments to te media how klove isn't that great, not worth it etc. What a fuxk

    Rubio + gasol bros or ibaka or ..?
     
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  7. indesertum

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    The younger gasol bro will give you a big up in assists. Marc has more assists than half the point guards.

    Al Jefferson or horford. Horford if you can swing it. Ibakas blocks are awesome but he's average or below average in every other category. At the level of big you need some points would also be good. I think somebody like Lopez might drop low enough too with injuries. Just need rebounds from somebody else.

    http://hoopshype.com/columns/david-nurse/how-to-fix-ricky-rubios-shot

    This dude is a shooting coach and all he can say is Rubio doesn't have enough confidence and needs a floater :sarcasm:

    His shot is fixable. He has the same problem as kawhi when he started out (release point too low). He doesn't get enough elevation for a two motion shot. He also jumps straight up and down which is related to his elevation.

    Minny should hire away engelland

    Bobcats supposedly worked hard on hendersons and mkg's shot but all season long MKGs been shooting with his elbow sideways across his chest and the ball goes out sideways. Never seen such a terrible shot. Hopefully they hired a new coach.
     
  8. Brothersport

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    Seriously doubt anyone would be able to hire away Engelland, even for tons of $$.

    Lol the Bobcats shooting coach is Mark Price. Poor MKG. Pretty sure his shot is just screwed for life.:confused:
     
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    The answer to the Love/Rubio question is, of course, because Kahn. This is the guy who drafted three PG's in one year, none of which was Steph Curry. And traded away the best one of them before he even played for the wolves
     
  10. indesertum

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    Everybody is available at a price.

    Mark price was a good shooter but he doesn't know what made him a good shooter. I seriously hope he's not helping MKG in the off season

    Are you talking about Ty Lawson?

    They draft PGs but can't develop them. Whatever happened to Johnny Flynn? He was awesome at Syracuse.
     
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  11. Brothersport

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    i get your point about mark price but i dont think you can hold being a great shooter against him like it seems like you are. also, from everything i heard he worked really hard w/ mkg to totally revamp his shot last offseason and then mkg just reverted slowly, then quickly back to the old broke-ass one once the games started.

    I don't really think that's accurate (that everybody is available at a price). like dirk was an FA this offseason but he wasn't available at any price. chip engelland has been w/ the spurs for almost a decade and won 3 chips w/ them and probably has an amazing job w/ the most innovative, stable, and approachable colleagues, i don't think he's uprooting to go to minny of all places, even for double the salary. and how much is someone going to poach him away for anyway? the most almost any assistance coach makes is $1 M/yr, and those are the head coaches in training. it's not like anyone is going to pay engelland 750k more than he's currently making.
     
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  12. indesertum

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    Oh I'm not holding it against him. I just don't think he understands what made him a good shooter. Lots of good shooters advocate form that's completely different from what they actually do because that's what they were taught

    Youtubed the first video of mkg junpshot



    I have no idea what mark price is actually telling him but this is pretty atrocious. That release is just so weird you would think that's the first thing they fixed

    Yeah engelland is probably not going to move but coach salaries aren't capped. If I were MJ I'd pay as much as needed to get him.
     
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    yea but it sounds like you're in general saying that being a good shooter is an impediment to being a good shooting coach, doesn't it? unless you know stuff about price specifically, which in case n/m cuz i don't know anything about his coaching other than the mkg tidbit.

    like obviously just because you're a great player doesn't mean you'll be a great coach/analyst/gm, in any sport, but i don't think it's a negative. even as a specialized shooting coach, knowledge of the routines and psyches of being an nba player would help make an impact on the student, even if your info isn't 100% optimal. like you can have a good coach that's much better at player development or chemistry or w/e rather than in-game x's and o's.

    like i said they tried to totally reformat mkg's jumpshot, but it just didn't take. if i were them i'd be pretty worried that he's just too far gone w/ this jumper and it'll never change appreciably, no matter the coaching. i can't really think of any examples of players w/ totally broken jumpers that overhauled their shots entirely.

    i don't think mj or the financially poor bobcats hornets has the extra $$ to throw a million+ at a specialized assistant, but who knows.

    actually this subject is kinda interesting to me. i think i really underrate the player development part of basketball. like i expect players to naturally improve over their 1st 3 seasons or so, but i don't really buy expecting anything substantial after that. i think that has to do w/ believing in statistics and flukes too much. like for example, if X player has a randomly really good year from 3, i automatically assume it's a fluke, as opposed to actual solid improvement. that's probably not fair.
     
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    i've seen this video before

    I see that this 'coach' is right about some stuff about mechanics of the jumpshot but
    its annoying how he says 'he doesn't teach them how to sweep and sway" - idk maybe
    because you don't teach that? THe same way you don't teach people to do left, right, left right leg
    when running. I don't even know a person who has a jumpshot and lands ideally in the same
    place each time, it comes natural.
     
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    I don't think it's a negative at all. You can't be a good shooting coach and not be a good shooter yourself which is why I don't get why a bunch of these fitness coaches are fatasses. Clearly you're not using your own advice. Engelland supposedly is a good shooter. Goldsberry interviewed bonner recently and he has a shooting challenge that engelland won for a year. I do think that being a good shooter and being a good shooting coach isn't a 1:1 correlation.

    I thought hornbobcatnets made $8 million last year? Throw some of that engellands way. They've been historically poor but my impression was they turned profit starting the 12-13 season

    I'm pretty interested in the player development aspect too. Like I'm curious if Anthony Davis would be where he's now if Monty Williams wasn't there. cuz his staff is really trying to make the brow the best he can be

    Yeah I mean I get that they're trying to fix his shot but the interview makes me think they're telling him wrong things and it's making it worse. Really everything else but his release is fine. in that interview it doesn't look like price is even trying to fix his release.


    Yeah but if you keep watching the bballbreakdown guy asks mark price what he thinks of the sweep and sway and he says he doesn't recommend it and that players should jump straight up and down even though mark price himself doesn't do that. So clearly there are shooting coaches out there trying to make you do things that aren't natural. There's some other shooting coach on YouTube advocating the same.

    Nobody jumps straight up and down except Rubio not even MKG. Lin used to do it with his legs under him during linsanity and bron used to do it a long time ago but they fixed that.

    I don't think the sweep and sway is as natural to most people as running. Some people it comes easy but some people it doesn't. I think it's partly because if you don't get good elevation you don't have enough room to sweep. Like watch harden and curry shoot and they don't get good elevation and their legs don't have enough room to sweep so it almost looks like they come straight down (but really they move forward a little)
     
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    idk, it would seem logical that sweep and sway is more useful to the guys that have poor elevation on jumpshot, as it creates some extra lift
    at least it seems to me that it does

    tbh i noticed people have their feet turned when they shoot before these vidoes came out, and it's really logical since it makes shooting
    way easier to have your elbow pointing directly at the basket when you shoot. Still they are helpful and tbh they helped me become better
    shooter.

    Anyway i don't think there's a one correct way to shoot for everybody. Like Reggie, Larry, Dirk they have unorthodox shoots but
    apparently they feel comfortable shooting that way and it works best for them.
     
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  17. indesertum

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    Almost totally agree with you but a few nitpicks

    You can't sweep your feet unless you get enough elevation to get your feet forward tho. The ones without enough elevation barely sweep. Like watch curry shoot. He doesn't get a lot of height and his feet don't really sweep forward (just a little)

    Larry and Reggie era I feel like was when people were finally beginning to understand optimal form tho. Larry has a slight hitch and Reggie does a weird hand touching thing. But since that era the best shooters all have extremely similar form without hitch or touching hands. Before Larry it was practically the heave shot.

    Dirk has an unorthodox shot only when he doesn't have enough room. When he has room he has a standard sweep but normally he's in the paint raining one legged fadeaways that always go in. Definitely not the normal form tho.

    I don't think it's natural but a watched and learned behavior cuz we used to do granny shots in basketball
     
  18. Brothersport

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    i didn't actually watch/listen to most of the video so :embar:

    btw mentioning granny shots, what do you think of the idea that analysts occasionally bring up of these horrible FTers (drummond, jordan) shooting a la rick barry used to?
     
  19. indesertum

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    Rick Barry like the two handed under throw? As in analysts want them to do that?

    ( I feel like the squaring feet idea got started with the two handed throw cuz that makes sense (ball in the middle of feet line) but a one handed throw needs to be off center. Squaring feet doesn't make sense with a one handed shot)
     
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  20. Brothersport

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    yea, the under-handed granny shot. don't remember any specific calls to do that, but i feel like it always comes up when teams are hacking-a-_____. i guess i feel like some players are so far gone that no amount of shot practice or reformatting is gonna appreciably improve their ft% and they might as well do something else, even if it's embarrassing at first.
     

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