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NBA 2016-2017 Season Thread

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by RFX45, Sep 22, 2010.

  1. Neo_Version 7

    Neo_Version 7 Senior member

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    Fuck the entire Western Conference.
     
  2. Hombre Secreto

    Hombre Secreto Senior member

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    In your dreams.

    The East is gonna fucked for another decade.
     
  3. indesertum

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    Spurs is the same team as last year with more experience for the young'ns and they got kyle anderson. No way they don't make the WCFs again and are the favorites to go to the finals.
     
  4. wojt

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    I think Thunder and Grizz have a solid chance to beat them, long shot Mavs
     
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  5. Hombre Secreto

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    A year older... Duncan is gonna be 39 in April. Who knows if he can stay healthy enough.
     
  6. indesertum

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    he hasn't declined as much and they're on minute restrictions again. every year i think there will be a drop off but every year he puts up solid numbers. same with dirk. somehow every year he's an all-star
     
  7. wojt

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    I don't expect their offensive games to drop off(maybe their numbers will slightly- kawhi bigger role, addition of Parsons), that is IF they stay healthy

    Just watched playoff game from 2002 Jazz vs Mavs, Karl Malone at 37 was still basically in his prime :wow:
    He looked way better than Duncan now, but then he got injured 3 years later and we know how that ended :(
     
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  8. diadem

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    I thought Team USA looked pretty shitty at times against Brazil tonight. Sloppy turnovers, missed shots that were uncontested, and poor defensive rotations. A couple of bright spots, though. Anthony Davis just ran roughshod in the paint and made Tiago Splitter his bitch for the night. Derrick Rose provided a nice spark with his quickness and Kyrie Irving had some nice plays with his handles and his active hands.
     
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    Really surprised Duncan has not broken down by now. His playoff career alone is like 3 extra season to his career. 20 seasons.
     
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    Yeah who knows maybe next year he finally breaks down and he's slowly declining but going by the trend it won't be a huge drop off
     
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    I wouldn't be surprised if we lose the WC. The rest of the world is good enough that we need to bring our best to win (proven during the pre-Colangelo USMNT days), and we are sending a grand total of two from the All NBA first and second teams
     
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    "Besides the Gasol brothers, Spain's squad includes NBA players Serge Ibaka, Jose Calderon, Ricky Rubio, and Victor Claver and former NBA players Rudy Fernandez, Juan Carlos Navarro and Sergio Rodriguez."

    I would say Spain has clearly the better frontcourt, they might knock off US
     
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  13. diadem

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    Depends. USA has the best shooters playing in the tournament hands down. Just a bunch of zone busters. If Steph Curry, Damian Lillard, James Harden, Klay Thompson, and Kyle Korver start splashing 3's, it won't matter that we have no depth in the frontcourt (not even sure that's true with Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond, and Boogie Cousins on the team).

    Also, Spain is in the Group of Death with Argentina and France. USA has by far the easiest schedule in the tournament.
     
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    Who's the two from all nba? Curry and harden? I thought lillard was on there too

    Oh he's on the third team
     
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    Spain is not in the group of death, France is since they will be playing without Parker lol
    gg France
     
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  16. HRoi

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    Yes.

    Regarding the shooters comment, you usually don't win FIBA games if you can't control the paint. The old disorganized US teams tried to win with shooting and fast breaking - it worked against the lesser teams but broke down against the bigger, more disciplined and cohesive teams like Argentina and Spain

    Yes, you win if the team shoots well but every team goes cold at some point. Then you have to dig deep on defense, rebound well and ride it out.
     
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    Well Haren and Curry are great players and obviously in terms of guard play USA should have edge over anyone but then again Gasols and Ibaka are quite a handful in the paint so it should be interesting
     
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    Well, there are different ways to control the paint. You don't necessarily need size to bang bodies down low. You can control the paint with dribble penetration and slashing. For the 2010 FIBA tournament and the 2012 Olympics in London, the only legit center that Team USA had on the roster was Tyson Chandler.

    Here's every made field goal from Team USA in the gold medal final against Spain in London:
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    Not a whole lot of post play. Just a lot of outside shooting and slashing. It's a good formula that I think is not too difficult to replicate with the current roster.

    As far as digging deep on defense goes, Anthony Davis had 5 blocks against Brazil last night.
     
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    Right, so who initiates that offense? Derrick Rose can do it, but he's coming off multiple injuries. Curry can, sort of, but he's not going to finish at the basket and if he's creating, your best shooter isn't finishing.

    And you need defense and rebounding. That Olympic team did it with a team effort and everyone was a good rebounder at their position. The US can win if Anthony Davis is a monster every game, and either Drummond or Boogie can also give quality minutes (just read that Boogie got hurt, btw)

    But that's a lot of responsibility on Rose and Davis's shoulders. If either falters, I don't like our chances. Also, the last FIBA team was the Kevin Durant show, and the things he does are irreplaceable.

    But who knows, Pau is not who he was and Manu is out, so no one's at full strength.
     
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    If Spain plays very traditional 2-3 zone defense again I think we'll be ok.

    With great shooters you can overload the strongside with good shooters and that'll force rotations or open up lanes.

    For example watch the video above and notice how Spain defends the pick and roll. They have

    1) just one guy defending both the handler and the screener while the center stays in lane and one guy to defend the strong side corner -> one of the two offensive players involved gets an open three pointer

    2) center is forced to rotate up to stop dribble penetration (eg early on in the video the center which is one of the gasol brothers has to step up all the way to the free throw line to prevent penetration)

    If 2 happens one of the two corner defenders have to step in and help. If they don't help USA get easy penetration. Stick korver and klay in the corner and it's going to basically turn into 1v1 curry or rose or harden versus marc gasol in the middle lane cuz you can't ice (force the ball handler to the base line) in a 2-3 zone

    You could even do guard guard screen and rolls on a loaded strong side (ie korver in the strongside corner and curry and harden pick and roll) so either player gets an open three or the defending center is forced to come out to the perimeter which he is way too far away to do.
     
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