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NBA 2016-2017 Season Thread

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by RFX45, Sep 22, 2010.

  1. indesertum

    indesertum Senior member

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    he's supposedly called love already and told him he should come to cleveland.


    yeah love don't be melo. just be patient and wait a year. you can have your cake and eat it too
     
  2. Teger

    Teger Senior member

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    they do not have the cap space next year to sign love flat out. they need his bird rights to extend him.
     
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    So let lebron restructure and make room. I mean, they have an entire year to do it. Let Kyrie restructure.
     
  4. edmorel

    edmorel Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    funny you mention Melo (Dolan destroyed the Knicks giving away too much talent when he did not need to). I am not saying the same thing will happen to Cleveland, as they'll have Lebron and Irving but honestly, I'm not that impressed with Love in a team concept. He is a stats machine but has never played a playoff game, never made anyone better around him. 2010/2011 Minnesota won 17 games. Melo gets all this shit for being a volume scorer, being selfish, not being a "winner" yet he took an average Denver team to the WCF. Cleveland has all the scoring it needs, James/Irving/Waiters/Wiggins/Thompson should be good 80-85 points a game. Throw in another 10-15 from Bennett/Varejao and whoever else is on the bench and your offense is more than covered. The question for them is, who is their wing defensive stopper, Lebron can't guard 5 people. Wiggins (and Waiters off the bench) provide a better fit for this team than Love.
     
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    Verajao is a decent stopper. I think everyone is underestimating Love's defense. He can rebound like hell. Lebron can force defense out of that squad, otherwise.
     
  6. indesertum

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    well i imagine they'll have to waive some players

    looks like they can trade dion waiters next year but tristan thompson and varejao is a free agent.

    they'll have to give up an asset or two but they won't have to give up wiggins to get love like they have to now
     
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    Mike Miller is going to rain 3s from the Cavs bench.
     
  8. Teger

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    the issue is kyrie's contract almost doubling for 2015. i doubt he's going to restructure - the only way it would work would be lebron opting out, resigning for like 10 mil and love taking under what he's get otherwise as well. it's not gonna work. trade wiggins now. their options if they wait are either trade kyrie or hope that lebron is going to gift them with the most undervalued NBA player in history.
     
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  9. ballmouse

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    Why does LeBron want to continue recruiting these other All-Stars? His team is pretty good already - why give up depth in young players who have a good chance at being good-great players? I mean it's pretty much expected that they did nothing on the terrible teams (and with terrible coaches) in the past couple years. They'll probably be pretty good with the new coach and playing alongside LeBron.

    Doesn't he remember that it was the Spurs's depth, not their stars, that helped the Spurs win?
     
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  10. indesertum

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    i've already talked about this before

    you just have to take a look at the team minnesota surrounded love with. he is actually a good passer and can make plays in the high post and he bends the defense towards him like dirk and melo

    i think he's actually a great team player. you should look at highlights of him getting boards and getting the ball down court. tons of those. and his assist stats are pretty good. he's very smart and he draws double teams on the block.
     
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  11. Neo_Version 7

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    How many All Stars does LBJ need to win another championship?


    Not one, not two, not three....
     
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    a whole team full haha

    lol @ namor's shitty beard comment :lol:
     
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    restructuring contract is not an option in the nba. only thing that could happen is lbj opting out (which is an option in his contract) and taking less money, but he's already shown a desire to get max money, so that doesn't look likely.

    cavs arent the only bidders tho. there are reports now that warriors are willing to trade klay thompson. that could complicate things, since love may sign an extension if traded to GSW.

    yeah, this. kyrie is legally not allowed to restructure. if kyrie's making, let's say, $16M, love is making >$17M, lebron is making $20.6M, wiggins is making $5M...i don't know if they're gonna be able to sign him outright.
     
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    I don't see Love, Lebron, Wiggins and Kyrie being on the same team. That's as realistic as the earlier talk of Melo joining the Miami Heat 3
     
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    The Pelicans just got Jimmer'd!!!!

    I like what the Pelicans have done this offseason with no draft picks. They got Asik, they got Patric Young, not sure how he went undrafted, Jimmer and Russ Smith, who could turn into a solid backup. Add that to Davis, Holliday, Evans, and thats a nice young squad.
     
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    edmorel Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    from yahoo:

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    Momentum seems to be building for a blockbuster trade that would send Kevin Love to Cleveland.

    The Cavaliers are now willing to include No. 1 pick Andrew Wiggins in a trade, according to widespread reports. LeBron James even called Love to tell him he wanted to play together.

    A trio of LeBron, Love, and Kyrie Irving would be a younger, more offensively dynamic version of the Miami Heat's Big-3. But as great as it would be to see Love play next to James, the trade comes with risks.

    It's not true that the only risk for Cleveland is that Wiggins goes on to become a superstar. The real issue here is that trading for Love severely limits their options going forward.

    The trade would eat up Cleveland's cap space for the foreseeable future. The Cavaliers would be locked into LeBron-Love-Kyrie. That's their team. They could make smaller moves to put a supporting cast around them, but if you trade Wiggins for Love, you're setting your core in stone before we've even seen one game of the second LeBron era.

    Assuming Love gets a maximum contract starting around $19 million, Cleveland would have ~$56.4 million committed to the new Big-3 alone in 2015-16. Even if you traded/declined to bring back Anthony Bennett, Tristian Thompson, and Dion Waiters, the most cap room Cleveland would have next summer is $6.6 million.

    Here's the team's general cap situation for 2015-16 in each scenario.

    Trade for Love:

    •LeBron James: $21.6 million
    •Kevin Love: ~$19 million
    •Kyrie Irving: $15.9 million
    •Anthony Bennett/Tristian Thompson/Dion Waiters (team options/qualifying offers): $17.7 million
    •Maximum possible cap space: $6.6 million


    Keep Wiggins:

    •LeBron James: $21.6 million
    •Kyrie Irving: $15.9 million
    •Andrew Wiggins: $4.8 million
    •Anthony Bennett/Tristian Thompson/Dion Waiters (team options/qualifying offers): $17.7 million
    •Maximum possible cap space: $19.7 million
    Cleveland has the ability to create maximum cap room next summer. It'd be tricky They would have to trade/decline to pick up options on Bennett, Thompson, and Waiters, but they can do it.

    At that point their options are open.

    Marc Gasol and LaMarcus Aldridge will be a free agents — maybe they think one of those guys will be a better fit than the offensive-minded Love. Even if they don't, there's an off-chance that they can sign Love as a free agent in the summer of 2015.

    If the Cavs don't want to go the free agency route, they can re-sign all their young guys and try to build a championship-caliber team organically.

    By that time they'll have a better idea of what type of players Wiggins and Bennett will become, and will be able to make a better-informed decision.

    It's also not a certainty that Love immediately makes Cleveland the best team in the NBA. He and Kyrie Irving are both below-average defenders. To get some rim protection on the floor, you'd probably have to play a center next to Love, meaning you have to shift LeBron to small forward and lose the inherent advantage that playing LeBron as a stretch-4 gives you.

    The Cavaliers have a roster right now that can be shaped in any number of ways. Pulling the trigger on a Love trade limits your options to one — namely, trying to surround LeBron-Love-Kyrie with enough veterans and role players to win a title.
     
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  17. Teger

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    Lebron is 30 and has a ton of minutes on him. Take Love now and have a chance to contend this year and for the next several. Banking on one of your prospects working out 3-4 years from now is passing on Lebron's final few years of being the best in the league. Kevin Love is 25, he has 5 - 10 more years of great play. Grab that. What are the odds of Wiggins approaching Love? Even if he does eventually surpass Love, what are the odds of him doing so during his rookie contract?

    Take Love now.
     
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    Yeah, Wiggins will be good, but probably not All-Star good before LeBron goes on the decline.
     
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