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NBA 2016-2017 Season Thread

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by RFX45, Sep 22, 2010.

  1. edmorel

    edmorel Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I'll take the opposite view on the 3 point line, I think the league shuold just get rid of it. The line (and the advanced stats) have created this one dimensional "stretch" whatever players that do nothing but stand behind the line. Everytime I see a player get ready to shoot, look down, take a step or two back to get behind the line and then shoot, I want to punch them. "but the long two is so inefficient..." Shut up D'Antoni. Force players from middle school on up to develop all around games, driving, slashing without the ball, shooting from your comfort level, not from where a line is. I think if a Kobe or Jordan were coming up through the high school/college ranks now, they would be forced to ditch their mid range turnaround/post up games. Tim Duncan would be turned into a stretch 4/5.

    I get that people like lots of scoring and I know that this is a more "exciting" NBA today but, get off my lawn!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  2. Neo_Version 7

    Neo_Version 7 Senior member

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    Ed, how do you feel about players who pump fake from the 3-point line, step inside the arc, and drain the mid-range shot? :marchal:
     
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  3. HRoi

    HRoi Senior member

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  4. jet

    jet Senior member

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    don't touch the line
     
  5. indesertum

    indesertum Senior member

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    Duncan's long two is pretty good tho

    We should probably bring back hand checking while we're at it. Heck we can all grow mullets too
     
  6. LawrenceMD

    LawrenceMD Senior member

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    since the NBA is adopting the NHL centralized review system (which means quick/decisive calls from less biased off court officiating/review team) I'd love to see coaches get maybe 1-3 "review flags" for flopping fouls.

    or hell maybe even they could implement a yellow card/red card system where they do a quick review for a flop (just like a review for a flagrant foul) and if player is guilty then they get a yellow card. do it again? ejected from the game with a 2nd yellow.

    I have a feeling this is going to happen in soccer soon (instant off site review of fouls called in the penalty area) to cull flopping that results in penalties. The rule is already in soccer (flopping should be assessed a yellow card).
     
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  7. Neo_Version 7

    Neo_Version 7 Senior member

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    Coaches should absolutely be given challenge flags (1-2 tops) but at the same time, the old school man in me is saying players might as well be running around in dresses if they want to complain about calls. I'm torn.
     
  8. idfnl

    idfnl Senior member

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    One alternative is to cap the number of 3s you can take in a quarter/half/game. Not saying that's a good idea, but the 3 point shot, as the article points out, has fundamentally changed everything from who gets drafted to contracts and roster spots that used to go to elder statesman like James Edwards and John Salley, they now go to Steve Novak and Bonner.
     
  9. wojt

    wojt Senior member

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    ^ Anyways it always puzzled me what took these NBA dumbfucks so long to figure out that 3pt shot is such a great weapon. It really took like 2 decades before it started to be abused. To think about it 7.24 is really far. New Euro line at 6.75 is already quite far when I shoot :S
     
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    indesertum Senior member

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    thats a terrible idea. whats wrong with steve novaks and bonners? gives smaller less athletic but skilled guys a chance to play.
     
  11. wojt

    wojt Senior member

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    Yea most people like to remember and see dunks, reverse layups etc but offensive side of the basketball is really about shooting. If you play yourself, than just see how much easier the game gets. If not just look at Spurs. Only rotation player on that team who isn't a good to great shooter is Tiago Splitter. Rest is v.good to great. And it always was that way really, just a bit more now then back then.
     
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  12. idfnl

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    No way. We get enough stoppages of play with fouls aplenty, timeouts, TV timeouts already. So much so that there is more bullshit than basketball, NFL style.

    In principle, I would support the notion, but not at the expense of *another* stoppage to hear Doris Burke's lesbianic deep voice.

    5 fouls should be a foul-out for me. Or instead of foul outs, every 2 fouls is like 4 mins on the bench.



    You'd have a lot on unemployed players, and diminished value of the Bosh, McRoberts, Dirk type guys.

    The league would lurch back to pack it in tight with size becoming the premium again. The way it used to be. Not sure if watching scrums are better than the new small ball era.

    What if a team was given an option: 3 point shot or something else instead, you get to choose each half. Making shit up here, but I guess what I'm saying is that there should be more strategic choices in a game than just 3 guys sitting behind a stripe waiting for the result of a pick and roll.



    Nothing is wrong. Its not like either of those guys are any more athletic than James Edwards. I think the direction of the discussion is that a premium is placed on doing this one thing from one place. Basketball has always been attractive because it requires more than just a specialist skill set. Not anymore... if you can bomb 3's, you can play defense with wooden legs and they still want you.
     
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  13. wojt

    wojt Senior member

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    If you really mean diminished that I have to disagree, since during 2011playoffs Dirk Nowitzki was clearly the best player on the planet. Now he is just not playing as good as during that stretch, plain and simple.


    Again I disagree and as prime example of a big group of players I'll give you Greg Ostertag. In my estimation, by NBA standards he had a specialist skill set. His specialization was being 7'2.
     
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  14. idfnl

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    Unrelated to age, wear and tear. I was identifying the stretch 4 as having diminished value w/o a 3 point line.



    There will always be guys who do some things better than others. Ben Wallace and Rodman, or the pure scorer. But there is something fundamentally annoying to me about a 3 point specialist, I don't know why.
     
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  15. Brothersport

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    Bargs lollllll.

    Don't really understand what you're saying about Parker. "Weight problems" is quite relative, no? The guy ain't Mike Sweetney. He certainly didn't look fat at all in college. He could slim down in the same vein as Harden could slim down, doesn't preclude him from being a good player. "1 or 2 good years" and then downhill is an odd thing to predict, what modern player has done that? And doesn't Cleveland desperately need a 3 and probably a 4? Deng probably isn't signing there.


    Kevin Love is a goddamn star. Klay Thompson is Klay Thompson. He's a superlative shooter but can't do anything except shoot and defend a bit. He's not worth anywhere near $12 mil/yr, which is what he's gonna get. Trade him for Love all day everyday.
     
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  16. wojt

    wojt Senior member

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    Klay is easily worth 12mil/year but perhaps not much more at this point

    I wonder where Deng goes, it's shame he was traded to that shithole,
    I bet he doesn't stay there. I'd like to see him on Mavs, Lakers or Thunder.
     
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  17. idfnl

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    I have a feeling Exum turns out to be the best player of this draft. Cleveland does better drafting Exum #1 and trading. There is dysfunction within those ranks. My sense is that Kyrie and Waiters are behind it. Maybe then Deng stays but very unlikely. He'd do well in Dallas. OKC would be a good fit.
     
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  18. HRoi

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    Lebron's opting out
     
  19. ethanm

    ethanm Senior member

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    Chances LBJ and Carmelo end up on the same team?
     
  20. LawrenceMD

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    DON'T LEAVE THE BUILDING JUST YET HEAT FANS*!
























    *you might get locked out of the arena before/if they announce melo is joining the heat/lebron/heatles.
     
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