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NBA 2016-2017 Season Thread

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by RFX45, Sep 22, 2010.

  1. Brothersport

    Brothersport Senior member

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    w/ westbrook harden durant and ibaka winning championships upon championships you can bet every vet center in the league would try to join em. plus they'd still have collison as well, who is phenomenal in limited minutes.
    I don't remember whether they officially made him an offer but i remember it was gonna be about 12 mil/year? when he is very very very clearly worth the max (~15). i think they're cheap, but i mean it's not UNFORGIVABLE given that they didn't know how good he was. but i really hate OKC fans that boo the shit out of harden and talk about a lack of loyalty. that makes zero sense.
    The way it would work is that KD and Westbrook's contracts would have been maxed for 2012-13, but Ibaka and Harden's contracts didn't kick in until 2013-14. So if you max out Harden, you get another season of the Big 4 easily (2013 playoffs, where Westbrook hurt his knee). For this year, you amnesty Perk (8.5 mil), you don't have Lamb or Adams (2.1 mil each), and Harden is only making 13.7 mil. You get minimum salary players to fill it out, maybe you salary dump Sefolosha (3.9 mil). If you're above the luxury tax line, you're only above by a little.

    Then starting next year, you're above by a few million more, but you're already making money hand over fist. Plus Collison's contract diminishes yearly. Either way, you get at least 2 more years of the Big 4 w/o making any difficult decisions, really. And who knows what'll change 2 years from signing. It's pretty much a misconception that they had to choose Ibaka OR Harden and couldn't afford to keep all 4 players at least for 2 years.

    Btw Westbrook actually willingly took less money from OKC, which is kinda interesting. And the MIA guys each made ~14.5 mil their 1st season together, so not crazy amounts less. And they still had Mike Miller making 5, Haslem making 3.5, Joel Anthony making 3.3 (???).

    Yea Scotty is just throwing the kitchen sink out there. Still have no idea why you have RW and KD who both dominate the ball and yet you spend a single possession of the game w/ both on the bench on purpose.

    Haha who are you gonna choose over Harden? Wade who misses 25 games a season? He is the only legitimate answer and even that is iffy. Harden is a phenomenal player with some obvious huge flaws. This kind of player (e.g. Westbrook) is a lot easier to armchair criticize than a player who is pretty good at everything, but just because he's more aggravating doesn't mean he's worse.
     
  2. Brothersport

    Brothersport Senior member

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    God I love Russ.

    I don't think you can fault him for that...he already got a charge for trying to get closer in the 1st q, right? No shame in pulling up further away for an uncontested look.

    edit: my bad, the charge was end of the 3rd. but that kinda illustrates how it's not always better to get a little bit closer, right? not like he's gonna be able to get to the rim, and westbrook is pretty terrible at hitting contested 3s in the first place.


    Ibaka was soooo good today. Really gutty performance. Once I heard he was playing I didn't think SA had much of a chance, based on adrenaline and crowd response. Hopefully they can maintain that level of play next game when they don't get that rush again. I can totally believe Brooks had him still up in the game w/ 4 min left up 15 pts, and that is its own criticism of Brooks.
     
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  3. hendrix

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    I'm not an experienced enough viewer to know this, but would it really be that quality players would just drop their team because they see that OKC has a few good players? There are other teams in the league...

    re: Caron and Fisher - I just don't get why he feels the need to use those guys at all when clearly blocking the paint and limiting Duncan et al close in was what seemed to be working. They should always have at least 2 of Ibaka, Perkins, Collison, Adams and Jones out there against the spurs. That frees up the snippy type defenders like like Westbrook to push out so there shouldn't be a long range barrage either.
     
  4. Brothersport

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    It wouldn't be REALLY good players. But mostly pretty good veteran players who are older and are chasing a last ring or two. Examples (whether successful or not) include Drexler on the 90s rockets, Gary Payton and Karl Malone on the last Kobe/Shaq Lakers teams...these are all hall of famers a couple of years pre-retirement who had a very big impact on their teams. If Malone had stayed healthy that last year, it's possible they might have beaten the Pistons in the finals.

    Recently, the best examples are Shane Battier and Ray Allen on the Heat. Ilgauskas too, although that didn't work. Battier is/was an AMAZING fit for the Heat, like maybe the best non-star player they could have gotten. I don't know if they win titles w/o Battier. But he prob could have gotten $5 mil/yr, and he settled for 3. Ray Allen is a freaking HOF and a crazy fit on offense for MIA and he turned down 2 yr/$12 mil from BOS to sign for 3 yr/$10 mil with MIA!

    A much smaller scale example is Caron Butler for the Thunder lol. Guy can still play, and would clearly have a big (offensive) impact on a shitty team. But he chose to join OKC for the minimum to chase that ring.

    edit: this works better if you have a team owner willing to use the mid-level exception. This means that your team is over the cap (under the luxury tax line), but every year your team is allowed to sign one player for up to $5 mil/yr for like 3-4 years or so. So that's how you get the still good players who are willing to take a discount but not one that decreases their salary to full vet min levels (~2 mil, I think). But you need an owner willing to spend some more money, which OKC hasn't shown a willingness to do yet.
     
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  5. hendrix

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    True. Yeah Caron still has potential to have an impact with OKC, just not against the spurs. He'd be better against miami, IMO.
     
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    ibaka looked a little slow today, but he was really efficient. so glad he's back. i can't wait for either 2012 or 2013 NBA finals all over again
     
  7. HRoi

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    I got drumk and didn't see the end of the game. Surprised that okc won, tbh. I thought they were as done as yesterday's steak dinner
     
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  8. NorCal

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    Meh, after some more thought you might be right. Turns out there is a serious dearth of well rounded 2 guards ala Wade.
    I still prefer guys that work on both ends of the floor though, and just can't call such a one dimensional player best.
     
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    Jeremy Lamb is pretty good imo. Not as good as Harden of course, but good enough in terms of value and what the team needs. He needed to see more minutes though.

    They also needed to pick up a good young centre and they got one.
     
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  11. edinatlanta

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    The pacers made their last shot
     
  12. idfnl

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    I quit watching with 2 mins in the 3rd. Game over.

    Hibbert: 0 points, /series

    Better luck next time IND. Perhaps Paul George can shoot a WIDDDDDDEEEE open 3 when instead, after pussy-footing for a couple of seconds, Mahimi gets an offensive foul for having wooden legs. Or maybe the team can take a risk and fire a pass to the rim when like 7 times tonight someone broke wide open for an easy one. I mean, like, MIA does this. Why? IND, no confidence.... a beaten team.

    I might have given Stephenson a pass tonight for his goose egg (at this point in the game) for effort so far, but when you're going to twitter-shit Lebron, you better score at least 2 points.

    Still, Paul George was the big disappointment here. I mean, we've all become clear that Hibbert is weak minded, but George has been a role player, if that.
     
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  13. RFX45

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    Or maybe try not to make Rashard Lewis look like a damn defensive player of the year?

    :crackup:
     
  14. Kid Nickels

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    How on fucking earth can Hibbert go the whole game without scoring… again? It makes no goddamn sense.
     
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    Remember when they got Bynum, and they said he would be a good backup. :laugh:

    Healthy Bynum was so much better then this bum. Even despite the attitude.
     
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    Disagree. Bynum is a cancer.
     
  17. edinatlanta

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    The good news about last night: the Heat won.

    The bad news: It turn out, I am not God. I watched the game and they won.
     
  18. wojt

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    How Heat winning is a good thing? You got it all wrong poor Edina :(
     
  19. HRoi

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    The Heat winning makes baby Jesus happy
     
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  20. HRoi

    HRoi Senior member

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    I think Spo has made some good adjustments this series -

    Putting Cole on Stephenson
    Breaking out a modified full court press that's been good for 6-10 easy points off TO's
    Running this curl play for Ray Allen over and over in game 3 where he gets the ball with a head of steam at the top of the 3-pt line and let him shoot or dish
    Getting Rashard Lewis to somehow play tough enough to slow down West
    Changing the hard trap on pick and rolls to have the big man retreat and pack the paint to deter Stephenson and George from driving (the Pacers can't turn the corner anyway so the trap is less necessary)

    If I were the Pacers, I'd consider a few adjustments for game 5:

    Get Lance to shut the fuck up
    Post him up on Cole
    Get more scorers out there - Vogel has shortened his rotation to only the best defensive players but against the Heat you can hide bad defenders on Birdman or Haslem or Lewis
     
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