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NBA 2016-2017 Season Thread

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by RFX45, Sep 22, 2010.

  1. foodguy

    foodguy Senior member

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    not sure i'd completely buy that. there's a lot that can be done in a huddle besides designing a play: figuring a set, figuring an inbounds so that cp gets the ball despite the double or even triple, catching a blow...mainly i think the role of the head coach in the nba is probably somewhat overblown anyway. except for that damned d'antoni, of course.
     


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    Curry and Barnes were highlight reels last night. The reverse jam by Barnes over AR was incredible. Denver hadn't lost at home since January and haven't lost at home by more than 5 points... until the Dubs dropped 131. Great win.
     


  3. RFX45

    RFX45 Senior member

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    The thing is, VDN doesn't even make his players run around screens to get open (Caron & Crawford are great at this) or actually just set plays, like after a screen, tell the players to actually move to a spot. There is none of that and really evident by watching the games and I hate it. His rotations are abysmal as well. He is terrible when it comes to match up and leaves his hot players on the bench about half of the time.

    Look at Pop coach, he could very well let Parker run around and just play but he doesn't, Duncan and Splitter has their roles on setting screens (not just from the top but in the paint as well), Green & Manu/Lenard are all set outside and where to run to that Parker doesn't even need to look where to pass to know the guy is there. So many sweet 3-point plays set up this way. Suck in the defense and then throw outside or the screener pull away and dump it to him for an easy jam. I see none of these set-ups from VDN. The Clips' half court game is atrocious. Sad part is, VDN used to work for Pop so he should know better. VDN did this with Rose in Chicago too. It's like he just says to his players, set screen and then move away, do not move and let CP3 do everything. That just isn't what a coach is suppose to do, on the last play maybe but for the last 7 minutes of the game? No way. Hate to agree with Barkley but that is certainly the Clips' achilles. Hopefully Billups becomes healthy enough to run some of those plays at the end of the game.

    I just see it happening one of these nights, where CP3 can't do it all and blow the whole run, happened with the Spurs last year. CP3 was hurt and just couldn't buy a basket at times.
     


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    RFX45 Senior member

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    Warriors definitely deserved props, they were wet last night. And to steal a game in Denver w/o Lee, in a blow out nonetheless, that is insane. Sadly, they'd have to shoot lights out every night to win this series and I am just not sure they can do that. Karl will make adjustments. Still a great win nonetheless.
     


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    I don't think the Dubs will have to shoot 65% to win the series. Denver shot well too, 50%, and from players that don't normally shoot the 3 ball well. Denver is getting exposed. If you limit the turnovers and keep them off the boards, they have little half-court offense.
     


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    RFX45 Senior member

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    Really not sure about that. They played small ball and kind of got hot and lucky there. Barnes is also very inconsistent, he could easily have a 2 point games the next night.
     


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    yeah, i'm not sure any nba team can count on winning a series if they consistently allow their opponent +115 points a game.
    Actually, do we have a stats wonk here? :foo: it would be interesting to see which championship team allowed the most average points during the playoffs.
     


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    As a semi-stats wonk, you would need to adjust the numbers to point per 100 possessions. This corrects for style of play in a particular era vs. another.
     


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    Pretty sure I read it on Grantland at some point. No link though :bored:
     


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    i don't think you would in this case ... i'm just curious about what's the most porous defense to ever win a championship. you'd need to average per game, but not per 100 possessions, I don't think.
     


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    But see that's my whole point. For instance, a lot of people think the Suns teams in the middle part of the last decade played really bad defense. As evidence of this, they point to how many points per game they allowed. The fact, however, is that those teams played at a much faster pace than most of their competition and in games where an opponent is playing the Suns they are going to have more possessions, because of the pace of the game, then they would in most games.

    For instance, in the '06-'07 season the Suns allowed 103 points per game. The Detroit Pistons, however, only allowed 92, or 11 points fewer. So Detroit is the better defensive team, right, Well let's look at those stats by putting things in terms of per 100 possessions. Now Detroit allows 104 points per game and PHO allows 107. So in this case, DET is still the better defensive team, but the difference is much less dramatic.

    All numbers are courtesy of 82games.com

    Zach Lowe on Grantland.com is really good at writing about the advanced stats stuff. He also does a podcast with Bill Simmons about once a month that is very good too.
     


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    Both teams played really solid D in the first, low scoring game too, and the Dubs lost by 2 because old man Miller decided to play the best game of his life. The Dubs have a legit chance at winning the series if they can hold Denver to a half-court set, without having to shoot lights out.
     


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    I totally agree with you here.
     


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