NBA 2016-2017 Season Thread

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  1. RFX45

    RFX45 Senior member

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    1's? PG? Weak? What????

    League is loaded with good to great PGs. It's probably the most loaded position in the league right now. CP3, Dwill, Parker, Irving, Wall, Jennings, Rose, Westbrook, Harden, Curry, Lawson, Teague, Rubio, Dragic, Walker, Calderon, Lowry, Conley, Gervais, Lillard, Holiday, Rondo.

    This is just on the top of my head.

    I'd even include future HoFers that isn't in their prime anymore but are still playing in Nash and Kidd.
     
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    idfnl Senior member

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    Bam. There you go. How many of these guys are pure PG, ala Stockton? Not many. It seems the 1 is becoming a passing 2. The pure PG seems to be disappearing.


    Side note: this Harkless kid in Orlando can play.
     
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    btw - if you haven't checked it out, the new stats database at NBA.com is fantastic. just a wealth of information.
     


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    I think there's a lot of truth to that, but it's an entirely different point. The assertion was that the talent pool at the position is weak. Magic Johnson wasn't a "pure PG ala Stockton". Doesn't mean the showtime Lakers were weak at the 1-spot. I think that as players have become more athletic (there likely are other factors as well) the roles of all of the "traditional" positions have become more fluid.
     


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    I respect your point, but Magic was a superb passer. In fact, LeBron is a better "PG" than many of those guys listed by Rambo.

    Agreed, the fluid part has influenced the edges, aka the 1 and the 5. Take a guy like Steph Curry and Westbrook, what talent, but that's not a Jason Kidd type PG in their prime. In fact, if we're arguing purism, Andre Miller is one of the best in the league. The modern PG really needs to be able to shoot the 3 beyond distribution duties. Chris Paul does the best job of mixing the roles.

    In summary, there is tons of talent but most of these guys are not really point guards.
     
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    Aaron brooks, welcome back to Houston?
     


  8. Steve B.

    Steve B. Go Spurs Go

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    RFX45 Senior member

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    You never said shit about being a "real" PG. I am the one person here who got chastised for saying Magic isn't a real PG, the Stockton, Payton type. But just because these PGs score more than usual doesn't make them any less of a PG position-wise. You said the "1" position is weak, not that there are not many "traditional" PGs out there. These are PGs and don't even try to back pedal out of this one. These are PGs and a bunch of plenty talented one at that.
     


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    You jinxed him Steve...

     


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    jet Persian Bro

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    You prly know what I meant, but yeah, the position has changed and it seems that if you dont score from the 1 you're not in the 'best' conversation anymore.

    So, I get why, but I do miss the Stockton type player. We don't have many left now. It's weak in terms of traditional PG skills. Ya, if you want a PG that can pick and roll and hit a 3, sure we have them but if you wan't Stockton ala dream team then forget it. Rubio is a good echo of the traditional role but he's still a ways off.

    Magic is much more of a real PG than most players today are.
     


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    As a Wizards fan, I'm happy to see Wall still makes an on the fly list. As a Wizards fan, I'm not sure he belongs on it. I hope he's hiding an injury or something. And for the love of God please develop a three point shot. It's just painful seeing him stand outside the arc with a mile of court in front of him every time.

    I've been feeling it somewhat lately, but the game vs the Pistons was the first real time where I wish Wall was just left on the bench and it made me sad. At least Beal looks good.

    Edit: Just a thought, is there any other PG that can't hit a 3? I don't think so... kills me.
     
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    ^ I really would have liked to see Nene on the court tonight. Great game. Unfortunate that the Wizards started falling apart in the last quarter after a great third.
     
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    Steve B. Go Spurs Go

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    Yep...

    Has he been on the cover of Sports Illustrated lately?
     


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