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NBA 2016-2017 Season Thread

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by RFX45, Sep 22, 2010.

  1. AldenPyle

    AldenPyle Senior member

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    This is kind of the point though. It might have been, as you say, smarter for Harden to have taken $55M and a good shot at a ring, over come what may. But what happens three months from now, when Donald Sterling decides he doesn't want to pay Chris Paul and the Clippers are looking to do a sign and trade for an affordable contract? Even if that scenario doesn't play out, if Harden signed the contract offered he would have been the Thunder's trade bait for the next 4 years. Accepting a low-ball offer from a team that is committed to you to win a championship is one thing, but that doesn't seem to have been the case here.

    This is the CBA working as intended spreading talent more widely throughout the league.
     


  2. LawrenceMD

    LawrenceMD Senior member

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    ^thats the irony... because the thunder were in essence a SUPERTEAM! and a young superteam at that.

    so the new CBA did actually win out in the end... they spread out the blue chip players... one from a super team to a lower tier team. :devil:


    a quick question.... is blake griffin overrated? :devil:

    another one..... is blake griffin turning out to be a huge asshole? he does those annoying staredowns for every slight thing that doesn't go his way... often to the detriment of his team... he'll actually stop and do a 5-10 second staredown an official/opposing player during a live play because he felt slighted. :devil:
     


  3. HRoi

    HRoi Senior member

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    I wouldn't call it making stuff up, making inferences sounds better :lol: I mean, none of us were there, but how else do we explain Presti making the trade while they were supposed to be in the middle of contract negotiations?

    and I actually agree with Presti pulling the trigger before it became obvious that Harden was going to become a FA and torpedoing his trade value - that's what I meant by being held hostage.

    anyway, the OKC opener illustrates perfectly what I see as a typical Kevin Martin game. I'm sure he had decent scoring, but didn't it seem like he had no presence on the floor? I only noticed him when he hit an open shot after being passed the ball? I give him credit for tying the game with a 3 near the end, but Durant got him open by taking all the attention. if that's all he's going to contribute then he has even less value than Shane Battier, who does all that plus play defense.

    and this kid Damian Lillard can play.
     


  4. HRoi

    HRoi Senior member

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    hehehe...you'll get us started again with the Cali fanbois

    I dunno about Blake, those staredowns are really annoying and other players seem to enjoy giving him extra hard fouls - don't know if that's because his attitude infuriates them or they are just trying to intimidate a young guy. but he seems like a good guy otherwise, maybe he's like Tim Duncan - good person but has some really annoying expressions/behaviors on the court.
     


  5. idfnl

    idfnl Senior member

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    He made the trade because he saw the writing on the wall. He did it early rather than have it be a distraction all season long.

    I didnt think Martin looked that bad, he made some nice cuts and seemed to be in the flow of the offense considering he's only been there a few days. Everyone knows he's pretty one dimensional. And hitting a tying 3 is a pretty big contribution.

    Lamb didnt play last night, but I think the trade is boom or bust depending on what he does.

    Fuck ya, Lillard looked great against LA. Dion Waiters looked great as well.
     


  6. HRoi

    HRoi Senior member

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    I didn't mean to imply that Martin played bad, that would be unfair. I guess what I mean is that he looked like a role player instead of someone who could take over. but it's his first game, we'll see - he needs to be the guy who leads the team when all the starters are resting, that's the only way they'll beat LA (by putting some distance when LA's top 4 aren't on the floor)
     


  7. edmorel

    edmorel Quality Seller!! Dubiously Honored

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    you guys talking too much shit. Harden did what 99.9% of people in his situation would have done. No need to overanalyze.

    My bold predictions:

    1. Houston will end up 5-6 in the West this year and will be the team no one wants to face in the first round.

    2. OKC will not make the Conference Finals and will not win a chip with Westbrook as the #1 shot taker.


    Lakers will look very beatable as long as they stick with the princeton offense. Miami still looks like team to beat and my Knicks, well, is there any chance they don't get blown out tonight :( Stoudamire already out for weeks, I guess he couldn't handle Hakeem's dream shake moves, maybe he'll be able to suit up for more than 20 games this season. At least we have Marcus Camby and Kurt Thomas as back ups. And Carmelo is going to be a better ball distributor and have a career year :rolleyes:
     


  8. dopey

    dopey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Do you know if the Garden will take back the Jeremy Lin shirts I bought for my daughters?
     


  9. moffy

    moffy Senior member

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    I think too many people are over-reacting to one game here. Have you looked at this Rockets roster? They have 3 good players and then it drops off dramatically. Almost half their team is rookies and second year players.

    There are 7 guaranteed playoff teams in the west this year (Spurs, Lakers, Thunder, Nuggets, Clippers, Grizzlies, Jazz) barring major injuries or trades. Houston is most definitely not on the level of any of those teams. They can maybe get the 8th spot, but I honestly doubt they will even reach 35 wins.
     


  10. idfnl

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    I think that offense is getting trashed a bit more than it should.

    I do recognize the places where it lacks and doesnt play to some players strengths. But against Portland, I did see some pretty nice plays happen. Gasol looks really at ease within it. Nash, not so much. If by game 15 its not clicking they'll have a problem but I think it needs more time.
     


  11. foodguy

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    i think you kind of made my point. payton, malone, kobe and shaq actively hated each other but still were the second best team in basketball ... and probably would have been the best ifmalone hadn't gone down. kobe and shaq were poison and won rings. kobe by himself is not an easy case, but wins rings. bidness is bidness. just because you don't like someone doesn't mean you can't work together toward a common goal ... particularly when there are millions involved. heck, i do it for thousands.
     


  12. foodguy

    foodguy Senior member

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    yup. i think the clips are going to be the better team until January. Then we'll have to see what happens. the lakes show signs of being brilliant, but they're still forcing the offense and one step late on defense. if they can gel, look out world. i've gotta say i've been MUCH more impressed with Howard than I expected to be.
    and as for the princeton offense.
     


  13. indesertum

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  14. RFX45

    RFX45 Senior member

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    I never said it couldn't work, obviously it has and likely happens all the time, Jordan was hated by most his teammates too. What I am saying is it isn't out of the question to take less money and that is why I said "not always the case". I never fully disregarded your comments, I just offered an alternative.

    Look at peoples reaction about Harden taking less money, like it is a sacrilege to do, like it has never happened before.

    And with that AllStar Laker team, they may have been the second best team that year but anything less than a championship is a failure.

    My main point with that post is it isn't always about money and other have taken millions to win a championship and/or to try and win with your best friends.

    Never said you have to be best friends to win big, it would just mean more if you did and it is a rare occurrence to get a chance to play and win a chip with your friends if all of you are superstars.

    I don't blame Harden for holding out for more money but I still stand OKCs decision sucked and they'll regret that trade or not offering Harden the max.


    Whatever though, I've said my piece on the Harden, OKC, taking less money, etc... everyone wants to disagree, oh well. I stand by what I said but I'll just bow out now before the hair pulling and eye scratching begins.
     


  15. edmorel

    edmorel Quality Seller!! Dubiously Honored

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    They are only allowing exchanges for vintage Pat Cummings shirts.

    Allegedly the Garden has told employees that cannot come into work due to Sandy will be docked vacation days.

     


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