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NBA 2016-2017 Season Thread

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by RFX45, Sep 22, 2010.

  1. idfnl

    idfnl Well-Known Member

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    Fair enough, I didn't reply to your post.

    I'm surprised Indiana has done so well, but I'm glad they have. This has been a great series. I'd like to see a new team in the finals, and I really am tired of seeing Lebron's bitch face every time he gets called for a foul. It will be hard for Indiana to overcome home court and the leagues desire for Miami in the finals so lets hope we don't see the phantom calls.
     
  2. lawyerdad

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    As I believe I also said at some point in the MLB thread, any post about how good a professional athlete is or isn't that begins, "I had him on my fantasy team and . . . " is not worth reading, unless the question at hand is whether the player is worth owning in fantasy leagues.
     
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  3. idfnl

    idfnl Well-Known Member

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    Yeah. But you read it.
     
  4. lawyerdad

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    Not all of it, actually.
     
  5. idfnl

    idfnl Well-Known Member

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    :nodding:
     
  6. HRoi

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    Wade averaged those numbers over 69 games. yeah, he probably didn't bring it every game, and yeah, it would have been great if he played 82. but I don't know where you get this "month and a half" idea. dude played more games than Tony Parker and Melo, and this was while being rested in the last couple of weeks

    I had Wade on my fantasy team and he was actually one of the more reliable performers. Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis were the players who sank me
     
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  7. dlm4114

    dlm4114 Well-Known Member

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    I disagree. Having someone on your fantasy team makes you more likely to follow their season more closely than another fan would. So IMO it stands to reason that you would be more knowledgeable about evaluating them. You can't evaluate a player based solely on their statistics, but you can tell an awful lot from a box score and a gamecast, especially for baseball. Of course fantasy ownership often goes hand in hand with hysterics and/or biases in talking about individual players, but in my experience owning some guys on my fantasy teams has really helped me understand their games/sports better.
     
  8. lawyerdad

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    Fair point. If such posts ran, "Because I had him on three fantasy teams I watched him closely this year, and I observed . . ." they might have some value.
    In my experience, they never do. The assertion of ownership is almost always followed by some sort assumed equivalence between the player's impact on the speaker's fantasy team performance and his value as a member of a real world team.
    Not nitpicking, but genuinely curious about your meaning: are you saying that you can glean something from a box score that you can't glean from more aggregated statistics?
     
  9. sjmin209

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    Even tho steve is a piece of shit and I posted a week ago I'd still rather have the spurs on their last leg win than the heat.
     
  11. Steve B.

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    I don't pay attention to your posts for obvious reasons, but don't you loathe LBJ?

    Wouldn't his coming to LA make you apoplectic?

    As a Spur fan I'm more worried about Indiana.
     
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  12. dlm4114

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    I'm not sure how you read what I wrote, but I think so. I originally meant to use "statistics" and "box score" as colloquial synonyms -- i.e., you can't answer "how good is this player?" with a bunch of numbers, but reading the box score will get you going pretty far in the right direction.

    However I do also think that you can learn a lot more from following box scores than you can from looking at aggregate stats. Reading a box score and/or a game cast will give you a much better picture of the flow of a player's game than glancing at his season PPG or FG% or rushing yards or passing yards. It seems like every year in football there are a couple of players who build overhyped fantasy reps on the back of one or two monster games, or there will be players who pad their stats in garbage time. And if you can get a good game cast, sometimes you will get a dozen or so bullet points for every period/quarter, which can help you see stuff that doesn't show up in statistics. This helps me a lot personally in hockey, where you might get a snippet like "Malkin mishandles a beautiful feed from Crosby and Rask makes the easy stop," which would show up on the stat sheet as a shot for Malkin and a save for Rask, but nothing for Sid, when in reality it was something that ordinarily would produce a point for him. All of this stuff is something I pay more attention to when I have these guys on my fantasy rosters, FWIW.

    As an aside I agree almost completely with your original point, I just commented the way I did because I think it's an unfortunate aspect of the state of fantasy sports/sports discussion online.
     
  13. Wade

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    LeBron isn't going to LA.
     
  14. Gibonius

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    Most of the pundits had six games. Did anybody reputable have 4? (Vegas had Miami as like 5-16 favorites to win the chip before this series and they usually know their shit)

    Matchups don't predict Wade's knee, Bosh forgetting how to shoot, Ray Allen and Battier not hitting 3s. Obviously Hibbert and West are a bad matchup for the Heat, but even within this series we saw how Bosh (when he hits his shots) is a bad matchup for Indiana. He just isn't hitting those shots. The perimeter players aren't hitting their shots, and Wade can't break down D like they need him to. All the bad matchups have been massively amplified by factors that Indiana didn't create. It's kind of a perfect storm for them. f the Heat were actually playing like they had for most of the last two months, it could easily have been a six (or maybe five) game series. They did play like that in Game 3 and they blew the Pacers off the court.

    Behind who, Indiana and Chicago?
     
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  15. gettoasty

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    Yeah everyone knows he returning to Cleveland
     
  16. edmorel

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    Every sport article I read prior to the series talked about would the Pacers be able to get a game off the Heat. No one in this thread thought the Pacers could win more than 2 games against the Heat. In terms of the Heat issues, every team has injury issues. I can make the excuse that the Knicks lost to the Pacers because Chandler had a bad neck/strep throat, Melo played with a tear in his shoulder, JR was hurt, Felton didn't play as he had all season etc etc. If the Heat don't pull off that game 1 win, which was more a mistake on Indiana's part, they'd be on the beach right now.

    Assuming no big changes to rosters, I think the Bulls, Pacers and Knicks are better than the Heat next year, not so much in record but in head to head. The Bulls have to obviously have Rose come back as before, the Pacers have to integrate Granger back into the team and the Knicks need to get playoff performance from Felton and JR but I think all three of those teams beat the Heat in a playoff series.
     
  17. JilSlander

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    David Stern loves the Heat. We'll see the Spurs-Heat final (though I've been enjoying Indiana's game).
     
  18. RFX45

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    Let's take a quick break from game 7 to commemorate two player who recently retired from their 19 year career, co-rookies of the year in 94-95 season.

    Grant Hills is one of the biggest "what ifs" due to the injuries he had, he was the next MJ before Kobe or Lebron and on his best year he was averaging 26/6/5 at 27 years old, not even at his peak yet, before moving to Orlando and getting hurt and he was never the same again.

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    And Jason Kidd, one of the great passers and PG of the game, second in all time assist & steals and third in 3 pointers. Glad he got his ring before hanging it up.

    [VIDEO][/VIDEO]
     
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  19. Gibonius

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    I mean, I don't know what you're reading but ESPN has 20 different people listed for predictions. 11 said Heat in 6 games, 5 said Heat in 7, 4 said Heat in 5. None said sweep.
    I'm not saying it's an excuse, I'm just saying that if we're trying to predict for next season, no reason to assume that ALL that bad stuff is going to line up again. Give the Heat any combination of Wade being health, Bosh playing well, their 3 point shooters hitting and they win this series before now. That's not a horrible sign for them next year, and it says there's more to their struggle against Indiana than "they can't beat a big frontcourt."
    You may be the most optimistic Knick's fan on Earth.
     
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  20. AceBoogie

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    Knicks won't be making it past the 2nd round of the playoffs for a long time.
     
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