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NBA 2016-2017 Season Thread

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by RFX45, Sep 22, 2010.

  1. NorCal

    NorCal Senior member

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    I don't think he will. Honestly I know you have not seen a ton of him play but he generally has been a real asset. He adds a ton on offense, being able to set up his own shot, play down low or mid-range and he can pass very, very well. He really helps take the pressure off the out side shooters and because he is always a threat to score he can pull a defender off of the perimeter and then pass out to the open man. Obviously he rebounds a ton too, and while they did rebound well without him in there for a short stretch, it's hard to say how much it effects the rest of the flow to have other guys being forced to fight for rebounds he would normally get.

    His defense is not amazing but it is not as total shit as people claim.

    I think he stays and they run Barnes at the 3. Maybe when his contract is up they move Barnes to the 4 but for now I think they're pretty set. They need more bench and for players to continue to develop. If Curry can stay on track and Barnes and Thomposn can find consistency I think they are pretty much golden.
     
  2. NorCal

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    Honestly, who do the Knicks really have that you want to form a core going forward? Melo and Chandler? A few role players like Shumpert?

    Melo and Chandler is not a terrible duo to build on but I'm not sure you can really win with Melo as your alpha and I don't see him taking a number two role.
    Maybe if you really built a team around Melo he could take you to the promised land but the Knicks have not come close to doing that and with the contracts they have, and the management, it does not seem like they really have the flexibility to retool in the off season.

    In other words, enjoy losing in the playoff's for the foreseeable future, Knicks fans.
     
  3. Steve B.

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  4. dopey

    dopey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    The tragedy for the Knicks is that they were never able to get anything out of the Amar'e, Melo, Chandler trio. On paper, that is a very formidable frontcourt. In practice it has been mostly non-existent (injuries) and for the few outings they had, ineffective. There is no reason to be sure the three won't play together next year and with Felton, Prigioni, Shumpert and Smith, they have a decent if not great backcourt. But for whatever reason, the trio has never shown it can be effective together. No doubt, that is a reflection of the players styles and personalities, but Woodson has also never shown that he is the kind of coach that knows how to lead his players. I have no idea what goes on in the locker room, but I don't think Knick fans have been given reason for any confidence.
     
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    This is as good as a block gets. Russell would be proud.
     
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    SA did the same thing against OKC in G1 last year. I don't suspect it will last, Memphis will make adjustments. Randolph was hopeless.
     
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    I do have a bit of faith in the Knicks winning the East if both Miami and Chicago ever have an off season. Melo did show some maturity this year for the first time. It could work... but the Knick's front office will likely find some way to screw any chance of the Knick's being competitive again. I'll never know how the Knick's make such poor decisions year after year, disappointing season, after season.
     
  8. Steve B.

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    I need to PM you about the avy bet.

    Second game I watched all year....

    But they do have to do it for the whole series.

    TBT I've never thought about matchups w MIA...

    My initial idea would be to put Leonard on LBJ and make the rest of the team beat you.
     
  9. lawyerdad

    lawyerdad Senior member

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    Hey Steve, maybe you should IM him about the avy bet.:)

    You mean PM? :)
     
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  10. foodguy

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    i think that's Stevie's subtle sense of humor, commenting on the way his Spurs were hitting their threes yesterday. :foo:
     
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  11. Steve B.

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    The Forum has been double and triple posting me automatically lately. For this I am grateful. It means my words carry 3 times the import of other members.
     
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  12. sjmin209

    sjmin209 Senior member

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    You can say that again.
     
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    so it looks like Vinny Del Negro will be fired.... hmmm.... I wonder if phil jackson is interested.

    when I was reading the article I saw that the clippers had 56 wins.. damn thats pretty good despite the crappy coaching. I wonder if this team really is a championship contender with the right coach..

    it really does look like the clips are positioning themselves to re-sign cp3. I wonder if they will try to maneuver into the dwight howard talks too.
     
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  14. RFX45

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  15. lawyerdad

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    I haven't followed the Clippers closely enough (and am probably not basketball-smart enough anyway) to know whether VDN is a terrible coach or a pretty good one. But it clearly had gotten to the point where the public opposition to him had made his position pretty untenable unless they ended up going to the Finals. The disdain with which he is held may well have a solid basis in fact, but it's clear that there's also just a lot of flavor-of-the-month piling on by folks who (like me) have no real basis to express an informed opinion.
    Proximity notwithstanding, this comment is not any any way directed at RX ^. Just a general observation.
     
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  16. sjmin209

    sjmin209 Senior member

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    FWIW Jeff Van Gundy speaks highly of his wife's chocolate chip cookies.
     
  17. RFX45

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    I take no offense at all, no worries, but he really is a terrible coach and this is known league-wise. CP3 is the teams coach and almost everyone knows that, sadly.

    Bleacher report makes crappy lists at times but this list from last year is pretty damn accurate:

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-still-a-problem-for-the-los-angeles-clippers


    #7 alone tells you how terrible of a coach he is, I kept pointing out to this scenario last year over and over again just because it simply boggles the mind:



    http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-t...ngs-back-to-the-grindhouse?ex_cid=grantland33



    In addition, lots analyst (and even Barkely) recognizes how terrible his offensive set it:

     
  18. HRoi

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    unbelievable to me that VDN being a terrible coach is still a point of argument anywhere.
     
  19. lawyerdad

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    Reminds me of the Lavin days at UCLA. :) (Unlike with the current Clippers situation, I followed UCLA closely enough at the time - had season tickets with my dad -- to hold the informed decision that Lavin was a disaster.)
     
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  20. RFX45

    RFX45 Senior member

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    Cavs got #1 pick again. Not even sure who is good in the draft but a good supporting player next to Irving would be great.

    Portland with #10 and OKC with #12.
     

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