NBA 2016-2017 Season Thread

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  1. RFX45

    RFX45 Senior member

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    Pretty much. Dwight doesn't have the same power as Kobe on his contract where he can veto any trades involving him.
     


  2. AldenPyle

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    Weird. I thought the good thing about Scola was that he didn't make very much money. Guess that means that the priority for Orlando is getting rid of as many dumb contracts as they can. Irony is that it is all the dumb contracts that Howard wants to get away from in the first place.

    Seems like a big principal-agent problem at Houston. GM is on the hot seat and about a year from getting fired. If he takes a chance on Howard and it pays off and he plays great and re-signs (weird that re-signs and resigns mean opposite things) then he looks like genius and saves his job. If Dwight leaves after one year and Rockets are stuck with Hedo and other junk, then hes fired anyway.
     


  3. ConcernedParent

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    Due to science/technology (nutrition, training, shit, even shoes), the game has gotten so much faster in the last 20 years; average athletes today would have been +athletes back then. Take MJ in his prime and directly ship him back 20 years- he'd drop 45 every game without fail. Same thing applies now. The 2012 team would probably run the Dream Team out of the gym in fast break situations... However, skilled big men apparently haven't evolved and the likes of Ewing, Robinson, Malone, etc. would school whoever the 2012 team put out there. I disagree with the notion that MJ, Pippen or whoever someone said was more "athletic" than anyone on the 2012 team. However most of the dream team have the sort of creativity and craftiness that comes from skills and smarts which ultimately I think gives them the edge over the 2012 team whom rely more on brute athleticism.
     


  4. HRoi

    HRoi Senior member

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    naw, the 1992 Dream Team all put up better numbers than most of their direct 2012 counterparts in a more brutal game where perimeter players got hand checked and held, and most decent teams had multiple 6-10 to 7-foot plus bruisers who were allowed to beat the shit out of everyone who crossed their paths. Barkley might be the only player in history that was as fast and strong as Lebron, and he had a killer post game and was mean as hell. the 2012 would have no answer for Malone, Robinson and Ewing, who would kill them inside, hit the offensive glass and slow the game down. Pippen could lock down or at least frustrate any 2012 perimeter player - Kobe, Lebron, Melo, KD, whoever. you had the greatest perimeter shooter of all time on the wing (Bird), and the two greatest creators of all time handling the ball (Magic and Stockton)

    and that's before we even talk about MJ. the guy who averaged 40+ against a Pistons team built to beat the shit out of him.

    i think you need the Space Jam monstars to find a team that would give the '92 team a good fight
     


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    jet Persian Bro

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    you guys love talking bout all this bullshit i swear
     


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    torn meniscus for Blake. ouch
     


  7. RFX45

    RFX45 Senior member

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    You obviously have not seen MJ play in his prime, if you can find it just go watch the Dream Team documentary.
     


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    Woodson Says Lin Will Stay, and Start

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    ^the more athletic athlete from the future is a bit of a fallacy. sure standard things like bench press and running times have improved... but thats only incrementally... usain bolt may run a 9.59 or something.... but thats the most extreme example of only one variable: speed. but factor in the average times of all the athletes (like the total player population of the eras) and the differences in athletic ability is even narrower.

    how about some poof that you can see with your own eyes...

    this is a video about bill walton being possibly the best center ever (when totally healthy) by they guys at bbalbreakdown on youtube.

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    this was the game all the way back in 1977 during the finals and you can see how fast paced, physical, and athletic the players are. The game actually looks like a modern day game.

    go to this part at 2:17

    look at how fast, physical, and high Dr. J jumps and jams on a totally contested breakaway..... about 2.5feet inside of the free throw line.

    another example of extreme athleticism

    or a sick dunk in traffic?

    do you think jordan would score 45 against the finals teams in 1977 (twenty years from 1996 jordan's prime)....maybe but then again he was dropping 45 during 1996 anyway... jordan might not even be the most athletic player on that court (after seeing some of the scary athletic shit Dr. J does).


    also notice dr. J jams on Mike Bibby's dad's jew-fro and all... :lol:

    the early 90's brought the extreme defense first trend from the Pistons and eventually the early 90's knicks.... there are trends that make the game looks super fast paced and exciting like the late 70's NBA and the recent 2010 onward NBA...but also slow like those early 90's teams.

    so even way back in 1977 you could actually see that the finals teams could actually ball, probably even play the 2012 Heat or OKC competitively. the level of basketball play was at that high of a game even 35 years ago without a 3 point line.

    barkley, pippen, malone, stockton, jordan, robinson, ewing, drexler, mullin were in their prime. no team was going to "out run" that group.

    hell.... no one is going to outrun/gun/physical/ball finals teams from 1977...
     
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  10. Ambulance Chaser

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    To be fair to Kobe, what he said is being misreported. He said that the 2012 team could beat the Dream Team, not that they would. In a best-of-seven series, I think the 2012 team could win one or two games as the Dream Team let off the gas. In one game for all the marbles, no way.
     


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    Also, imagine if the OGDT had replaced Laettner with any number of other players. If you were playing international style ball you could have gone with somebody like Dale Ellis or Reggie Miller. If you were playing NBA style ball, you could put Shaq on the team.
     


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    Or if they'd have replaced Bird with someone with a functioning back and knee.
     


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    US replacing Blake Griffin with Anthony Davis looks like. If he plays well, that's a lot of much needed size.

    I wonder if it'll jumpstart Davis's career, being around all the superstars and seeing how they treat the game. It certainly helped Durant take things to the next level. Davis might be too young to really catch all the lessons though.
     


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    Good point.
     


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    RFX45 Senior member

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    Kyrie Irving challenges Kobe Bryant to 1-on-1 game, Kobe puts $50K on it, ethers rook


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    See, this is something that will be an interesting addition to All Star weekend, a one on one game among stars.

    So who you got? Irving or Kobe? I think I'd still go with Kobe on this one despite the age difference.
     


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