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NBA 2016-2017 Season Thread

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by RFX45, Sep 22, 2010.

  1. Biggskip

    Biggskip Distinguished Member

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    In regards to the whole Howard affair the Magic can either trade him to the Nets or sit on his contract for the remaining year and take the cap room.

    No team in their right mind is going to trade anybody of any value. If Howard doesn't want to play for the team he will sulk on the bench for a year and then go where he wants to in free agency.

    If the Magic decide to keep him, Howard has to at least try a little bit just to maintain his value when he hits the free agent market.

    If the Magic want to take the Nets trade, the one proposed a few posts earlier is pretty good. Lopez only has one year left on his contract and Brooks is still playing on his rookie contract. Humphries isn't currently under contract so the only wild card is what he would sign for.

    Also, Rambo, I love you, but there is no way that Howard is a top 5 player. For last season he was 6th in PER and he barely makes the top 15 in Win Shares.

    RFX, not sure if this is what you were asking, but if the Nets trade 3 first round picks to Orlando, the picks will be based upon the Nets performance in the years tied to the draft picks. Orlando's performance will have no bearing on those picks and will only affect the first round picks that Orlando had in the first place.

    If the Nets to make the trade, it's true that they basically will have nobody under contract past Howard and Williams. That said, that is a pretty potent 1-2 punch. Given that they will play in one of the most desirable markets in the NBA, I don't think it will be that hard to recruit the talent necessary to compete in the East.
     


  2. RFX45

    RFX45 Stylish Dinosaur

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    Yah that was pretty much my question.

    As for the second statement I quoted, how much money will they have to attract players that is willing to take a huge pay cut though? I mean even Miami had the big 3 sacrifice some money and they were still stuck getting old dudes or rookies/d-leaguers.
     


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    Basically. And, no Jeremy Lin. The Knicks are going to go backwards in a big way.


    Calm down, I was just fucking with you. Yes it was a ridiculous point, but don't be so sensitive about it Sally. No, I don't think DH is a top 3 player. But I've heard others argue he's behind only Lebron and Durant. I'd definitely put him in the top 5 though, given Rose's now busted knee, Kobe's increasing age, and CP3's falling apart body. Fact is, I'd take him on the Lakers any day of the week.

    All this "will he sign with anybody else?" crap is bullshit. He's basically being led around by the nose by his people. That can change REAL quick.


    The Magic HAVE to trade him. To sit on him for the whole season and lose him for nothing would be a replay of the Shaq debacle. And that put that team back a decade or more. The fans would fucking revolt.
     


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    Howard, Williams, Joe Johnson and Gerald Wallace wouldn't be a bad start to compete in a depleted aging East.

    And it seems like that Russian owner doesn't give a shit about the soft cap.
     


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    Well it looks like Williams won't be taking a cut. That is most likely his reward for being loyal and taking a chance on this whole experience. Howard will obviously want to work out an extension as soon as he is traded. Since he is the one who wanted to join the Nets so badly it will be interesting to see if he is willing to budge on salary demands in order to attract the talent necessary to win. Let's say he signs for $15MM in the first season. That gives them $25MM-$30MM to play with in free agency. That's a pretty big war chest to have.
     


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    They could put him on waivers. The new CBA makes the luxury tax much more harsh and teams are not going to be so willing to go over the cap as a result. Taking one season, where you aren't going to win the title anyways, to just let his contract run out is a totally viable option. Why trade for a bunch of bad contracts that are going to kill your cap flexibility. That said, I think the Nets deal, so long as they don't sell the farm to pay Humphries, is actually quite good.
     


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    RFX45 Stylish Dinosaur

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    I'm still confused if DWill got blinded by the $100mil contract (I would be too) or if the Nets already guaranteed him Howard? I really thought he wants to win and was on his way out to Dallas (his hometown) where they could also possibly get Dwight. I really don't see DWill being enthusiastic enough to sign due to the Johnson acquisition.
     


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    Those figures aren't right. Breakdown on the current roster from Hollinger:

     


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    Awfully hard to pull off these big multi player trades/free agent signings. Good thing the Heat had three years and lots of collusion to plan it all :happy:



    Actually pretty damn impressive GM work from the Heat, getting the Big 3 to take less money (no FL income tax helps) and then crafting enough low salary guys to make it work.
     


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    I can't see the Knicks not signing Lin. He is the 2-3rd most marketable player in the league, forgetting the fact that they don't even have a point guard. Why do we always go after guys that have had the best years with other teams and then give away our young guys :(
     


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    If the Magic get the Nets 1st round draft pick, that means they have 2 1st round picks next year (theirs and the Nets.)

    If they trade Howard, they'll be awful next year and their pick will end up being in the lottery (top 14.) But they'll be so bad it will probably be top 5.

    The Nets will probably make the playoffs as constructed, so that pick will be at best the 15th (most likely around 20 or the high teens,) depending on the Nets standings at the end of the year.
     


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    The Knicks will probably lose Lin if they get Asiked. Basically, if a team really backloads Lin's offer (say 5 mil a year for the first two, and 10 mil for the third and/or fourth.)

    If the Knicks match that offer, their payroll will be royally fucked when the crazy luxury taxes kick in.
     


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    isn't Teletovic that creepy children's show character that is rumored to be gay?
     


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    Thanks James Dolan!

    They've basically lost Landry Fields now. So, even if they get Lin, who's going to be the starting 5? Amare, Melo, Lin, Chandler, and who? Iman?
     
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    3 years / $20 mil is $10mil too much for Fields. I don't know what Toronto is thinking. Dolan would be smart not to match it.
     


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