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NBA 2016-2017 Season Thread

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by RFX45, Sep 22, 2010.

  1. idfnl

    idfnl Senior member

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    Is there really a rule against sitting players?
     
  2. Left Hand

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    It's not at all the same as going to a Lakers game and them sitting Dwight, Kobe and Pau. It was in Miami, on the road, after a tough road stretch. How many people were there to see Tim Duncan and Tony Parker? I'm sure most of them were just glad their team squeaked out a win against the backups.
    Plus, regardless who was mad about it, it doesn't really matter. We're talking about one of the best coaches in the league. He should be able to give his players a day off. They're stars are old, he doesn't want to burn them out.
    I think it's ridiculous, honestly. It was a great, competitive game. I don't know what else Stern is looking for. Oh...that's right..... money.
     
  3. RFX45

    RFX45 Senior member

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    It doesn't matter if they are against Miami, is the arena is sold out, it is because of the Spurs and a lot would still go see Duncan, Parker and Ginobili, hell I would. If they were against Washington, it'll likely be halfway full in the arena to be honest. Plus this is a nationally televised game so how many people came in to see a very competitive game and changed channels when they found out the Spurs aren't playing their 4 best players? Sure the game was surprisingly close but who would have thought that w/o those guys playing? The Spurs is still one of the best teams in the league so yes people still want to see them play along with their stars.


    And yes, it is exactly like watching the Lakers w/o the big 3 (or 4).


    I do agree that Pop should be able to rest his guys, really got no problems with it but I do understand where Stern and upset fans are coming from.
     
  4. Kid Nickels

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    ya Lefty I think everything you've said there is accurate... SA was on a long road trip and MIA was just chilling at home. I don't think it was the attendees in particular but the TV market that Stern was pissed about. It's the Thurs. nite TNT game, best in East v. best in West (almost) and I'm sure they had some ad revenue in there... I also read somewhere that MIA uses a "dynamic" ticket pricing system... meaning that people did pay more to see this "marquee" game, and altho' it was still close, it wasn't marquee w/o their top starters. I was SO rooting for SA to pull this off, but considering the circumstances it's just barely not embarrassing that MIA won by 5 at home. Anyway... interested to see what kind of BS sanctions Stern will come up with!
     
  5. Left Hand

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    Bottom line: If it wasn't a nationally televised game, nobody would be talking about it. This has to do with one thing - revenue. I wouldn't be surprised if the network complained about it to Stern after feeling pressure from it's advertisers.
    Sure, I'd be upset if I traveled from SA to MIA to see the Spurs (I wonder how many people that was) but I'd also realize, if I knew anything about basketball, that the Spurs have a great bench and Popovich could coach them to a win. I'd then also realize that I'm in fucking Miami...who cares who they play?
    Don't make me link up some Will Smith...
     
  6. foodguy

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    but it was also typical Pop. He could easily have managed that situation in a nonconfrontational way -- started those guys and just managed their minutes ... they play only 10 or 15 or even less. but he wanted to make a point. and he did. and so did stern.
     
  7. RFX45

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    Except not everyone who goes to the games are NBA fans that analyze and criticize the game like most of use do here, they do not see what NBA enthusiasts see. Point is simple, people paid to see the Spurs and their stars, whether that is to be beaten by Miami or not, they still paid.

    If you're a Lakers fan that lived in Miami and they go to Miami and you go to the game and the Lakers sit Pau, Dwight and Kobe and they lose by 50 points, you wouldn't be pissed? The average guy who spent their $$$ to see those stars play that can only see them play once a year shouldn't be mad? Again if it were an injury, fine. If he sat Duncan and played the others, then good. But to sit the core of the team, the most known players by the average fans can be very disappointing, NBA enthusiast or not.

    Again, keep in mind these guys plays each other once in their respective arenas so if you're a fan of a players, that is your only chance to see them play. And who knows, this might be Duncans last season? Hell Ginobili can be one injury away from retirement too.
     
  8. Left Hand

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    But dude... they didn't lose by 50 points. They lost on that Ray Allen 3, a costly turnover, and the subsequent foul party that followed.
    You have a valid point about this possibly being Duncan and Manu's last year but, in my mind, they saw a great basketball game and that's the best they could've hoped for, regardless of who's on the court.
     
  9. RFX45

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    Yah but the sanction wasn't announced after the game, it was before. They lost a lot of viewers for sure because people would think it's a blowout, if you advertise the Spurs vs. Miami game that it would be w/o Duncan, Parker, Manu and Green, then I would guarantee they wouldn't have sold as much tickets because most (if not all) would assume it would be a blow out.

    So your saying that if they did lose by 50 and half the arena fans has emptied by 4th quarter and millions of people tuned out of their television that the sanction would be ok?


    People who schedule these games are featured nationally televised games that a lot of advertisers determine to spend their money and yes they would know that Spurs, one of the best teams and their stars, would be a draw against the Heat. This is the main reason we do not see a Kings vs. Wizards game nationally televised on Christmas.
     
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    It's the NBA. Everything's about revenue.
     
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    bottom line, it's about entertainment, not about competition. people pay to see a play with meryl streep and robert deniro, they want to be able to tell their friends they saw them. and even if the understudies were perfect, they would feel cheated.
     
  12. Left Hand

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    So you're saying you agree with setting the precedent that the league can dictate the lineup a coach puts out on the court?
     
  13. RFX45

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    If you're talking to me then you need to read what I have written again.


     
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    This is bad news. Never liked Stern, and the league dictating who plays and who doesn't is bad news.
     
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    actually i do, though i think that phrasing is a bit extreme. the coach's obligation is to look after the health of his players; the league's obligation is to look after the health of the game as a whole. when the two collide, the greater good should be served. granted, this is an extreme case, but as i posted earlier, it would be very hard not to read the benchings as a big FU from pop to stern.
    of course, this wasn't about dictating the lineup, it was about dictating that you can't rip off the paying customers. or at least that there's a limit to how far you can go doing that.
     
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    Come on man, why would pop give a shit about giving stern the finger? Guys (finally) leaving anyway.
     
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    no way can you set a precedent such as that... it's absurd. and Stern is just pissed that Pop does what he feels is best for the team in his professional opinion (with an I'm sure not unintentionally subtle, or not so subtle, FU to Stern) and does not unquestionably kowtow to Darth Stern overlord of the universe. We all know what's going on here and in short it's pretty simple... SA was on the tail end of a tough road trip, Pop legitimately felt they needed the day off so they got it. That Stern has other priorities ($MONEY$) is irrelevant... eff him.

    @idfnl... from what I've gathered (news, interviews, etc) Pop has a kinda grumpy old man sense of humor and personally enjoys jerking people's chains a bit... more so with inane on court reporters who ask asinine questions or overly sensitive power mongers like Stern whom he can get all riled up so easily just for the hell of it.... just a possibility
     
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    I heard the Spurs got fined $250k, damn that is a lot more than I was expecting.
     
  19. Kid Nickels

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    that is f'g ridiculous!! NE was fined $250K by NFL for actively CHEATING!! SA gets same fine for resting their most important stars who actually needed (in coaches opinion) the day off?? wtf is that? Only sanction that was really even possible was economic (like what's Stern going to do, bench Pop?? LOL!) and Stern is lamely attempting to send a message. wtf does SA even care to pay the fine (substantial as it was) if Duncan, Manu and Tony are in better health and making a push in late May and June?

    EDIT: on NPR Talk of the Nation right now they are talking about Stern's megalomania! LOL
     
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    this ... as i said before: if it was simply a matter of pop being worried about his players, he could have done this very quietly. but he chose to make an issue of it. and i'm no fan of stern (i'm a laker fan after all), but when pop chose to make an issue of it, stern probably had to respond.
     

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