NBA 2016-2017 Season Thread

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by RFX45, Sep 22, 2010.

  1. thekunk07

    thekunk07 Senior member

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    he's not a carbon copy of shaquille, he's nowhere near as good. worst superstar ever and he has melo disease in that it seems he is just really dumb.
     
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  2. RFX45

    RFX45 Senior member

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    Never said he was a carbon copy of Shaq but he will feel like he is is he goes to the Lakers since he is also from the Magic and you see the Shaq connection there. I think you don't give him enough credit, he has improved since his rookie year and still the most dominant center in the league right now. Just ignore him being a goofball, he did lead the Magics to the finals a few years ago.
     
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    +1 ... i agree that a top point guard would be wonderful, but what do you have to give up? i think at this point, the issue may be working itself out. have you noticed that the defense against the point has really improved? wade had a decent game yesterday, but no more than that. and westbrook had a horrible game last week. offensively, the team is basically run through kobe anyway. all a point really does is bring the ball upcourt and spot up for the 3. if they could get williams or someone of that level, then yeah, make a big trade. but shedding the twin towers to pick up a mid-level pg would just be silly.
     
  4. moffy

    moffy Senior member

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    I think the best hypothetical Pau trade i've heard so far has to be Pau for Lowry and Scola. Doubt Houston would give up that much though.

    I'm iffy about a Pau for Rondo trade. Rondo works in Boston because they spread the floor so well.

    I say the best move for the lakers this year is to just stand put and trade a pick for Sessions.
     
  5. deveandepot1

    deveandepot1 Senior member

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    LA seems desperate to make a deal, I hope they don't do something stupid.
    Pau and Bynum for Dwight Howard would be a disaster.


    Howard is an idiot. He is not going to sell any sneakers in Dallas. If LA gave up Pau and Bynum, they could give him a max contract. Then in 2-3 years the Lakers will start building the team around him.
     
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    I think the best bet is with Sessions. Because what the Lakers are really lacking is a knockdown shooter who is confortable with staying on the perimeter. Especially since the Lakers are now making their post game the focal point of their offense (or the Mike Brown offense, but I really have no clue what the Mike Brown offense is), they need that threat to make teams pay for doubling Gasol, Bynum, or Kobe. And Sessions is not a head case like Beasley or Arenas, and doesn't seem to need constant touches.
    But IMO, unless the Lakers pick up a top tier PG, I don't see someone like Sessions or Felton supplanting Fisher at PG. I think what they'll trade for is bench help. And as much as I have respected Steve Blake over the years, he seems to be half the player he was with Portland, and his days as a Laker are probably numbered.
     
  7. Rambo

    Rambo Senior member

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    They DEFINITELY need bench help. And outside shooting. Their 3% is abysmal.
     
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    there's no arguing with the percentages, but sometimes percentages tell a misleading story. if we were having this discussion two years ago, everyone here would probably agree that steve blake was the answer to all the problems -- a smart point guard who had a solid 3-point shot (38% career). and murphy had a rep as a good 3-point shooter (39%) before he came here; kapono too (43%). barnes was really good, too (45%). so the question is: did all of these solid 40% shooters suddenly go cold at the same time? or is there something else going on? maybe adjusting to new sets and new faces? that's kind of my guess. let's see where things are in another month.
    eta: as for the bench, i think brown's rotations have really befuzzled them. folks don't know when they're going to get the call and for how long. the last week or so he seems to be settling into a rotation and it seems like the bench has responded. they had a great first half against SAC (sucked in the second, though) and they played solid minutes against Miami.
     
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    ^its the offense. they only really shoot 3 point shots as "bail out" shots - meaning high degree of difficulty shots (< last 5 seconds on the shot clock and contested).

    if they set up an Orlando magic-type offense or revert back to the triangle officially those shots will be part of the flow of the offense. ron artest still shoots a lot of threes but they aren't usually in the flow of the offense.
     
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    yup. i agree with that. most teams that do well with threes either get them in transition or, more often, drive-and-kick. no, i don't have any evidence of that. i just made it up.
     
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    Browns rotations are looped. McRoberts NEEDS to be getting consistent min, as does Barnes. Barnes could even spell Kobe a little from time to time.
     
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    lately barnes has been getting consistent minutes in relief of ron-ron when things aren't working out (which is pretty consistently). i think brown wanted artest to lead the Bs, but learned that he's just not that kind of player. Barnes can be. He's a true energy guy and you can just see him pushing the game forward when he gets in. plus, he's usually paired with bynum in that set-up and he's a great slasher/cutter off the ball.
     
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    I don't think the offense is to blame as much as the fact that the players are just not very good.

    Murphy used to be really good, but ever since he injured his back over a year ago he's been really terrible. Simply, he's washed up. His only hope is Phoenix's training staff.

    Blake & Kapono - they might be good shooters, but they have never been good scorers. In their collective 18 years in the NBA, they've averaged double digit points in a season just twice (once each.)

    Barnes - I don't know where 45% on 3s came from. He's a career 33% shooter and has never shot over 37% in a season.
     
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    lakers should find a new coach
     
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    Best comment yet.

    On the Pau front, I do think that trading him for 3 or 4 good/valuable players would be a smart move. Say to Houston for Scoala and a few solid bench guys.
     

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