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NBA 2016-2017 Season Thread

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by RFX45, Sep 22, 2010.

  1. ConcernedParent

    ConcernedParent Senior member

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    i'm basing my comments only on vids i've watched. havent seen him actually play. but that's all we get unless we have a regular Turkish Euroleague watcher chime in

    i'll give him the fact that he seems to have a pretty good first step. but if he doesnt blow by you with that, then he's absolutely stymied. looks like he has terrible hands (which the commentator points out, and that will kill him in the NBA - how many turnovers does a rook get before he gets pulled?), and no post or pivot game (which makes the Bosh comparison utter crap). gets overpowered on the boards and on D, which i suppose he can fix if he gets stronger.

    so then...what else is there? he can dunk if he gets by you with that first step or in the open floor. he can block a shot if you dont see him coming. how well does he shoot, percentage wise?


    I think we forget that this is a really weak draft class. Had this been literally any other year, Vesely would be a second rounder, not a lottery pick. He's got intriguing upside; a 6'11 guy that can run around and jump like that, shoot okay, handle the ball okay. He's so unpolished that I think he'll flame out- but if he can either A. bulk up a bit and develop a post game or B. shoot much better from 3, he'll find a spot in the rotation.

    I don't get why everyone is shitting on this pick, when I think Derrick Williams is the only surefire starter in the entire draft.
     
  2. Thracozaag

    Thracozaag Senior member

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    Guess that is true. Does add some toughness to the front court. He just needs to get some burn on the court but right now there is definite log-jam at those positions.

    His natural position is at the 4, but with good range so could slide over to 3 and in Phoenix's system I imagine he'll be the grateful recipient of many of Nash's drives on the pick and pop.
     
  3. Steve B.

    Steve B. Senior member

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    cue monster kobe dunk over ben wallace

    cue Jet's knee pads

    IMO Spurs' trade of George Hill loathsome.
     
  4. thinman

    thinman Senior member

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    cue Jet's knee pads

    IMO Spurs' trade of George Hill loathsome.


    What would you have them do, trade Parker instead? Stand pat?
     
  5. Steve B.

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    What would you have them do, trade Parker instead? Stand pat?

    Get rid of Duncan. He's had a great career but these days he looks like a deer in the headlights.
     
  6. thinman

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    Get rid of Duncan. He's had a great career but these days he looks like a deer in the headlights.

    Steve, I'm really surprised to see this from you. Does he have any real trade value at this point in his career? Don't the Spurs owe it to him to treat him with some respect after all he's done for the franchise? He's been one of the classiest, best players, and the face of the franchise for a long time.
     
  7. foodguy

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    Steve, I'm really surprised to see this from you. Does he have any real trade value at this point in his career? Don't the Spurs owe it to him to treat him with some respect after all he's done for the franchise? He's been one of the classiest, best players, and the face of the franchise for a long time.

    +1
    and that's one of those deals that if they had traded him, there probably would have been an armed revolt (perhaps led by you?), asking how they could do this to such a great guy who has been the heart of such a successful franchise.
     
  8. whacked

    whacked Senior member

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    Get rid of Duncan. He's had a great career but these days he looks like a deer in the headlights.

    That's class.

    Sorry Steve, I couldnt help it. Plus, there's about as much chance of this happening as LBJ gets elected as the new mayor of Cleveland.
     
  9. RFX45

    RFX45 Senior member

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    I've been lazy and too tired to look for them but anybody have a full on list or link of the trades that's been happening all over with the draft and such?
     
  10. HRoi

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    Duncan for Kobe [​IMG]
     
  11. Mark from Plano

    Mark from Plano Senior member

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    Steve, I'm really surprised to see this from you. Does he have any real trade value at this point in his career? Don't the Spurs owe it to him to treat him with some respect after all he's done for the franchise? He's been one of the classiest, best players, and the face of the franchise for a long time.

    Yes. Duncan should be a Spur for life. The way I've seen most franchises handle this is to play him until they think they no longer can and then at the end of his contract try to "counsel him out." It then becomes up to the player to decide whether they think they can play for someone else another year or two.

    I can't see the Spurs trading Duncan unless it was a situation like Malone where he went to the Lakers to win a title (Duncan already has plenty of titles). And even in that case I don't remember whether he was traded or was a free agent. Either way, Duncan is the Spurs and the Spurs are Duncan. There can be no trading him.
     
  12. foodguy

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    I can't see the Spurs trading Duncan unless it was a situation like Malone where he went to the Lakers to win a title (Duncan already has plenty of titles).
    i agree with most of what you said Mark, but define "plenty". it's kind of like millionaires having "plenty" of money.
     
  13. Steve B.

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    Steve, I'm really surprised to see this from you. Does he have any real trade value at this point in his career? Don't the Spurs owe it to him to treat him with some respect after all he's done for the franchise? He's been one of the classiest, best players, and the face of the franchise for a long time.

    True

    +1
    and that's one of those deals that if they had traded him, there probably would have been an armed revolt (perhaps led by you?), asking how they could do this to such a great guy who has been the heart of such a successful franchise.


    I think Manu would raise a bigger hue and cry.

    That's class.

    Sorry Steve, I couldnt help it. Plus, there's about as much chance of this happening as LBJ gets elected as the new mayor of Cleveland.


    true

    Duncan for Kobe [​IMG]

    lol

    Yes. Duncan should be a Spur for life. The way I've seen most franchises handle this is to play him until they think they no longer can and then at the end of his contract try to "counsel him out." It then becomes up to the player to decide whether they think they can play for someone else another year or two.

    I can't see the Spurs trading Duncan unless it was a situation like Malone where he went to the Lakers to win a title (Duncan already has plenty of titles). And even in that case I don't remember whether he was traded or was a free agent. Either way, Duncan is the Spurs and the Spurs are Duncan. There can be no trading him.


    Montana got traded. Willy Mays got traded.

    Duncan should retire then. Maybe I could have said it with more class, but Duncan looked old and tired most of this year.
     
  14. RFX45

    RFX45 Senior member

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    Lakers gives the Spurs Walton for Duncan. Do it Mitch!!!!
     
  15. Mark from Plano

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    i agree with most of what you said Mark, but define "plenty". it's kind of like millionaires having "plenty" of money.

    Ha. True. What I had in mind was:

    Malone = 0 Titles

    Duncan = More than 0 titles

    From Malone's standpoint, Duncan has plenty of titles.

    :shrug:
     
  16. skitlets

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    Here comes the lockout. [​IMG]
     
  17. Cordwinder

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    Pacers agree to deal with Vogel
    If Shaw does decide to work with Vogel, would that close the door to him returning to Lakers to be head coach after Brown?
     
  18. thinman

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    Pacers agree to deal with Vogel



    If Shaw does decide to work with Vogel, would that close the door to him returning to Lakers to be head coach after Brown?


    Who?
     
  19. Mute

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    Duncan should definitely retire with the Spurs. They owe him that much. They shouldn't do a 49ers.
     
  20. chronoaug

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    Disagree about a team owing the player to hurt the franchise by eating up all the cap room and screwing the franchise out of a chance to rebuild. It's really tough and pretty much impossible to just "reload" unless you have 1-2 core stars sticking around (what the spurs did in the early 00s, the lakers in late 00s, mavericks all of the 00s). In the NBA now, you pretty much need to bottom out and start over. You can't do what the pistons, pacers, hawks, jazz, sixers, rockets, bobcats, and to a lesser/recent extent the blazers (though injuries not really their fault) did by staying competitive for the 10th-6th playoff spots with maybe a 2nd round playoff visit or something but never getting good lottery picks and not really having the cap room to make any big moves. You'll never be bottom of the barrel but you'll never have a real chance to win anything.

    Gotta pretty much bottom out, collect draft picks and young assets. Hope 1-2 of those young guys are good and can lead your team in the future, then 2-3 of the other guys are valuable to other teams and get some other players/picks for them or wait until a star is on the trade market like a melo, bosh, dwight, gasol, or something like that and then trade picks and a young player to that team looking to rebuild. Or wait until you get the top2-3 pick in the draft and get a franchise changing player like Durant, Rose, Lebron, Dwight

    Keeping duncan, parker, ginobli around to grow old together is nice in a way but i don't think spurs fans will be that happy about it 2013 when they have no young talent, no good draft picks, no good vets, and no real assets. Will set the franchise back a few extra seasons for sure.


    By the same token you could say that Duncan owes it to the franchise and fans to take a pay cut, or allow himself to be traded to better the franchise's future. Obviously athletes don't do that and i wouldn't expect them to, just like i don't expect a franchise to hurt the team's future for a personal favor.



    If kobe can't really get it done the next 2seasons and it's obvious he's just not up to the challenge of winning a title in that #1 star role, i would hope the lakers would try to move him. Best thing for the team to get assets/picks and the star (kobe/duncan) to get a chance to move on to the next stage of their career.
     

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