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NBA 2016-2017 Season Thread

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by RFX45, Sep 22, 2010.

  1. venividivicibj

    venividivicibj Senior member

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    It's dumb - let's make a huge rule change because our big man sucks at free throws
     
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  2. idfnl

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    Just stop the intentional foul being a shooting foul. No reason for it to be that way.
     
  3. phoni

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    They're only shooting fouls if over the limit; would they not count towards that then? We might still get delays due to refs deciding if the foul is clearly intentional or not.
     
  4. dopey

    dopey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    One way to deal with intentional fouls is to award a free shot instead of free throws.
     
  5. phoni

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    You could treat them as techs and allow the attacking team to nominate the person who takes the free throws, but frankly I'd stop watching. You're getting paid to play basketball, practice and make your free throws.
     
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    indesertum Senior member

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    you say that like DJ, drum, and dwight don't practice their free throws
     
  7. idfnl

    idfnl Senior member

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    I don't see how that helps.

    I would suggest a new classification, you have flagrant 1 and 2, add intentional to that list. If a foul is deemed intentional then award 2 shots and the ball. This bullshit would stop instantly.
     
  8. dopey

    dopey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    To the chin or gut, not rim.
     
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  9. IChen

    IChen Senior member

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    As much as I hate hack-a.....because it's so slow, at the end they're paid to do their job.
     
  10. ballmouse

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    Outside of dunking, shooting free throws is probably the easiest part of playing basketball. And yet there teams that actually want opposing players to do just that. The best solution would to be to improve the player's free throw shooting. It doesn't even need to be that high to discourage hacking - probably 50-60% is enough. I don't know if that's asking a lot.
     
  11. idfnl

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    There are always going to be crap FT shooters.

    "Get better" doesn't solve the structural problem in the rules.
     
  12. lawyerdad

    lawyerdad Senior member

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    There will always be crap FT shooters, just like there will always be crap defenders who have other skills. If you put your crap defender in the game, a smart opposing coach is going to attack him. In either case, the coach of the team with the player who is seriously deficient in an important skill has to make the tactical decision about whether the player's pluses justify keeping him in the game despite his minuses.

    If I were James Harden's coach, I'd sure like the rules to be changed to prevent people from being able to exploit his lack of focus on defense.
     
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  13. lawyerdad

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    It's funny, this happens so infrequently that it apparently didn't even occur to you -- but a straightforward layup is easier than dunking or shooting free throws.
     
  14. ballmouse

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    Well I looked at the average points per possession this year. It looks to be ~1.063. Based on that, the FT% you need to be below for the hack to be mathematically effective is ~53%.

    There are only about 25 players in all of NBA history where the hack would be mathematically effective. See list below:

    Player From To G GS MP FG FGA FT FTA FT%
    Wilt Chamberlain* 1960 1973 1045 47859 12681 23497 6057 11862 0.511
    Shaquille O'Neal 1993 2011 1207 1197 41918 11330 19457 5935 11252 0.527
    Ben Wallace 1997 2012 1088 912 32085 2569 5421 1109 2679 0.414
    DeAndre Jordan 2009 2016 586 474 15870 2048 3059 959 2263 0.424
    Bo Outlaw 1994 2008 914 352 20740 2005 3534 957 1837 0.521
    Olden Polynice 1988 2004 1058 658 24884 3557 7037 1146 2141 0.535
    Larry Smith 1981 1993 883 525 22879 2519 4743 866 1630 0.531
    Andris Biedrins 2005 2014 516 311 11146 1432 2409 383 766 0.5
    Andre Drummond 2013 2016 297 247 8811 1700 3054 534 1395 0.383
    Reggie Evans 2003 2015 809 372 15572 1107 2379 1074 2036 0.528
    Chris Dudley 1988 2003 886 331 16321 1391 3380 691 1508 0.458
    Michael Smith 1995 2001 449 170 10552 950 1767 626 1183 0.529
    Adonal Foyle 1998 2009 733 269 13060 1318 2766 353 707 0.499
    Bob Donham 1951 1954 273 4866 662 1379 494 975 0.507
    Dan Gadzuric 2003 2012 527 164 7793 1049 2100 367 737 0.498
    Mark Landsberger 1978 1984 437 5 7306 1024 2128 420 805 0.522
    Steven Hunter 2002 2010 400 130 5993 735 1313 347 715 0.485
    Jahidi White 1999 2005 334 209 5913 736 1443 482 903 0.534
    Eric Montross 1995 2002 465 288 8479 891 1819 289 604 0.478
    Stanley Roberts 1992 2000 300 178 5869 1059 2124 437 850 0.514
    Lou Amundson 2007 2016 425 42 5494 648 1364 266 601 0.443
    Darvin Ham 1997 2005 417 45 5178 443 856 249 504 0.494
    Greg Kite 1984 1995 680 225 10080 716 1634 284 584 0.486
    John Hummer 1971 1976 327 7420 875 1998 498 950 0.524
    Ken Bannister 1985 1991 253 71 3867 586 1202 329 669 0.492

    I think there are always going to be players really bad at something. That's why most don't stay in the league very long or get much playing time. If a player has really great skills that offset his FT shooting, then it makes sense he gets paid/stays in the NBA. I am sure teams have made some sort of calculation (even gut feeling) that this player helps more than he hurts and he cannot really be replaced. That's fine. I think that's the right way of thinking. But I am also saying that a FT weakness is one of the easiest problems in basketball to solve. I don't think anyone is going to disagree there.
     
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  16. lawyerdad

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    Agreed. But they're dunking because it's considered cooler. Turning an uncontested layup into a dunk is (in most cases) to make it slightly more difficult.
     
  17. dopey

    dopey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    These days, I have trouble with all three.
     
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  19. venividivicibj

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    So youre saying

    -free throws are hard to improve --> we should change it for the 5 people who suck at it?

    Like lawyer said above, if someone sucks at defense (maybe they aren't laterally quick - almost impossible to fix) can his team get a rule passed to change it to make it easier on them?
     
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  20. diadem

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    I'm not arguing for any rule changes one way or the other. I'm just saying that improving FT% is harder than most people think.
     

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