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National Hockey League 2012-2013 Thread

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by NewYorkIslander, Jul 1, 2012.

  1. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Senior member

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    The one thing that ceases to amaze me is that in any labour disruption, very quickly the employees are in a loss situation financially and the employer is in full control and in a no lose situation. The players have now lost 15% of their 12/13 salary. If they accept the full 82 game schedule proposal they can actually get to breakeven as I see it.

    I disagree with extending the season and putting in extra game every five weeks. You play an average of 11 games per month, so if we start Nov 1 we play a 70-72 game season, if we start Dec 1 if is 60-20 etc.

    The owners win no matter what, they have less games for revenue but they also pay far less in salaries. And considering most US based teams lose money hand over fist until Christmas this works in their favour.

    Early in this dispute many felt that is exactly what the NHL wanted. A short season that if not fully breaks, seriously batters the union. It is looking more and more likely that will happen. Even if it means killing the season.

    Yes, some fans will stay away when they resume but lets be honest more than enough will come back and todays players will never get that money back.
     
  2. gomestar

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    the Islanders are moving to Brooklyn in 2015
     
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    Glad to see they worked something out with the arena. Apparently the NHL is forcing them to keep the name. Maybe they think it would be embarrassing to have a four-time champion change names (not that they'd care about that if the Devils moved, but maybe the cutoff is 3 cups).
     
  4. Mark Anthony

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    Does that mean just keeping the "Islanders" part or the New York too? I would have preferred a fresh start with the Brooklyn name in it, resurrecting the Americans name would have been cool too.

    Four cups yes, but it has been 20 years since they won a playoff round.
     
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    "The Islanders, who won four consecutive Stanley Cups between 1980 and 1983, will keep their name at the insistence of NHL officials." (NY Post)

    I wonder if the Rangers had an issue with a name change. If they keep the name, it's just the same old Islanders. If they change the name, it seems like a "new" team, and more Rangers fans living in Brooklyn would jump ship.
     
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    calling them the Brooklyn Islanders would be pretty cool. Shame.
     
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    Yes, the Rangers could very well have an issue with that. Case in point is our very own NewYorkRanger. I suggest he becomes known as "the member formerly known as NewYorkRanger" and simply have a symbol.
     
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    I really wonder what they're going to do to make this work. This is the seating chart for the previously scheduled preseason games in Barclays.

    [​IMG]
     
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  9. NewYorkIslander

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    I accept that. Would the symbol be the Isles logo? I hope that the league changes its stance before 2015, as part of being a team in Brooklyn TO ME, means that the team adopts the independent spirit of Brooklyn...for Chrissakes they still refer to the vote in 1898 to become part of greater NYC as the "Great Mistake of '98".

    I've already begun to give away some of my Ranger stuff to kids in school and plan on selling a lot of the other stuff. I have some cool memorabilia if anyone is interested, and a bunch of jerseys in size 46 and 48 (pro).

    LETS GO ISLANDERS!!!!!
     
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    consider me interested in Jerseys, especially the older ones.
     
  11. NewYorkIslander

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    Only one I'm hanging on to is my 1995 Ulf Samuelsson jersey, my pops bought that for me, so it can stay in storage...

    I have a Barnaby Jersey Blue Home (38), Todd Harvey White Liberty Head (40), Avery White Away (38) and the Staal (46) and Prust (46)new fitted ones. Those are all my pro jerseys...thinking $100 a pop is fair, will probably put a thread in B&S Other. PM if anyone is interested.

    Gonna give the replicas I have away to the kids in school (plus a bunch of tees, towels and hats)
     
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    don't you feel dirty, switching allegiances? maybe even a little bit?

    while i admittedly am a big eberle fanboy, the thought of becoming an oilers fan gives me the heebie jeebies.
     
  14. NewYorkIslander

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    I don't feel dirty at all, maybe a little sad, because I had a lot of memories with my dad who started taking me to Ranger games when I was 7, but now I can do the same thing with my son and daughter so much more conveniently and regularly that the team will be in Brooklyn, PLUS, my dad may come in with me on the season seats.

    I honestly believe sports teams need to work more to keep their fans, because I was a die hard, and if the move was able to grab me, imagine how many casual fans it would take. When I gave up my seats at the Garden it was gut wrenching. I wanted to downgrade to a partial season, but they were phasing those plans out, and only offered restricted view seats for partial season ticket holders, and the prices kept going up. I was really upset. My firends had it worse, they were season ticket holders for 15 years (half season) until they moved them there. They stayed one season and then didn't renew. So much for customer/fan loyalty on the club's part.

    I'm not switching because of a player, I'm switching because tickets won't cost me nearly as much, won't have to pay to park ($30 per game for MSG) or take the train for an hour on GOOD days. Parking isn't an issue at BC, 10 minute train ride gets me right there and 4 blocks from my apt. But most importantly its a HOME TOWN TEAM. These guys will be involved in my community, not the UES, or Gren Village. Its a chance for my kids to have a home team. My dad and uncle (the two men who were always in my life) had always talked about how special it was to have the Dodgers here...now my kids get to have that, and I'm along for the ride with 'em. I was stoked about the Nets, but I'm not really a big basketball fan, but I was still SUPER excited. Now with the Isles, I have a team in a sport I'm truly passionate about, right in my own backyard, the place I was born and love. FYI, my wife and I named our first child (whether it was a boy or girl wouldn't've mattered) after it. This place is that important to me.

    I've gotten a lot of shit from my Ranger fan friends, but looking at it, they're either not from Brooklyn, or do not have kids, so they don't really get my motivation. Those who do have kids know that giving them their own team (a hometown team) to support trumps everything. Can not wait for 2015. We'll be getting to a few games at the NC the next few years so they can get to know the team and we can get to know the organization, but I'm not looking fwd to the 45 minute car trips...
     
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    :slayer: passionate stuff man, makes me sad there's no team around me worth supporting. the leafs are 2 hours away, and honestly, fuck the leafs and everyone in that organization. i would be a detroit fan if it werent for the fact i grew up hating them so i can only muster up respect.
     
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    NYR NYI, consider getting a Molson jersey. I was in a few classes with him in college, dude is a class act.
     
  17. NewYorkIslander

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    I was thinking about who I would get...thanks for the tip, always seemed an honest player too, though I do like Hamonik...and McGratton is an Islander once we start playing
     
  18. Lord-Barrington

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    I understand NYR's thinking on this one, but I could never switch allegiances. I'll be a Habs fan until I die. If they disappeared I still wouldn't adopt a new team.
     
  19. gomestar

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    I've always been for the NYR, but a few years ago I became hooked on watching the Sabres too. I have a few relatives in Buffalo, and one of my cousins started working for the Sabres organization and he would always mail me game pucks and stuff. I'd usually follow them and root for them, but I became a big fan one year in the playoffs, it was the series they lost in a game 7 OT with Kasparitis scoring and then doing the ice flop.
     
  20. jarude

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    to be fair, you don't really have any alternatives. i think every fan of a canadian hockey team finds every other canadian team quite distasteful, with the exception of everyone having to pick a side between montreal / toronto.
     
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