Narrow C&J lasts?

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  1. william

    william Senior member

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    Which C&J lasts are narrower than the 337? I know the 348 is said to be a bit narrower, but are there any more (benchgrade or handgrade)?

    Chris
     


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    I don't have first hand experience with 350 last but I've heard it's pretty close to either 337 or 348.
     


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    william Senior member

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    I don't have first hand experience with 350 last but I've heard it's pretty close to either 337 or 348.

    Thanks von Rothbart. That wouldn't work for me then. When I get the length I need in the 337 it becomes too wide. Even insoles don't help that much.
     


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    Have you tried going down half a size on the 337 or 348?

    Otherwise, the 238 last used in C&J's regular line shoes is a bit on the narrow side. If you want Handgrade, I spotted this recently:

    [​IMG]

    http://www.old.co.uk/acatalog/Mens_Handgrade_.html

    - the Strand is an old regular line model on the 238 last but has apparently been made up to Handgrade specs for Robert Old.
     


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    william Senior member

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    Have you tried going down half a size on the 337 or 348? Otherwise, the 238 last used in C&J's regular line shoes is a bit on the narrow side. If you want Handgrade, I spotted this recently: [​IMG] http://www.old.co.uk/acatalog/Mens_Handgrade_.html - the Strand is an old regular line model on the 238 last but has apparently been made up to Handgrade specs for Robert Old.
    Thanks TKDKid! I did try to go a half size down on the 337. Unfortunately that size left my toes cramped and after about 45 minutes it became painful. I ended up selling that pair on ebay. If C&J just made more narrow size I'd be set!
     


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    I have the Cleveland, a handgrade on the 350 last. It's considerably narrower than the 337, maybe the same as the 348. It's my favorite C&J last but seems to be completely unavailable below full retail.
     


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    william Senior member

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    reubencahn,

    Thanks for the info. I've heard that the 348 is narrower than the 337 but I didn't know to what degree. If it is considerably narrower than I might give it a shot. I like the Balmuir which I believe is also on the 350. It can be ordered from C&J Paris.
     


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    Any C&J shoe can be had in narrower widths, but this then becomes a special order proposition (what I believe C&J referred to as at one time as "Semi-Bespoke"). The last time I checked, these ran about 450 GBP, not far from EG territory. The other possibility that I've discovered is Ben Silver, who occasionally gets in C-width C&J Handgrades. I was able to get the Handgrade monk shoe, the Mortimer (240 last), from them in C-width (and at a sale price). You could check them out and keep an eye out for their sales.
     


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    If you like the shape of the C&J 337, you might consider purchasing your Handgrade shoes from Barney's New York who stocks D widths. Another alternative for narrow width shoes are the Crockett & Jones English benchmade line. There is some dispute that the manufacturer changed for the current season, but regardless of the provenance, RL tends to favor a narrower fit for their stock widths.

    With regards to last fitting in the normal C&J lineup, the 341 is about the closest counterpart to the HG 337. It features a more tapered toe box, and not as much room through the forefoot. It's my favorite last along with the 238 for my slightly narrower than D feet.
     


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    Thanks norcal. It's helpful to get some advice from another narrow footed brotha'[​IMG]
     


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    william Senior member

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    If you like the shape of the C&J 337, you might consider purchasing your Handgrade shoes from Barney's New York who stocks D widths. Another alternative for narrow width shoes are the Crockett & Jones English benchmade line. There is some dispute that the manufacturer changed for the current season, but regardless of the provenance, RL tends to favor a narrower fit for their stock widths.

    With regards to last fitting in the normal C&J lineup, the 341 is about the closest counterpart to the HG 337. It features a more tapered toe box, and not as much room through the forefoot. It's my favorite last along with the 238 for my slightly narrower than D feet.


    norcal,

    I forgot to ask...have you compared the 341/238 to the 348?
     


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    If you like the shape of the C&J 337, you might consider purchasing your Handgrade shoes from Barney's New York who stocks D widths. Another alternative for narrow width shoes are the Crockett & Jones English benchmade line. There is some dispute that the manufacturer changed for the current season, but regardless of the provenance, RL tends to favor a narrower fit for their stock widths.

    With regards to last fitting in the normal C&J lineup, the 341 is about the closest counterpart to the HG 337. It features a more tapered toe box, and not as much room through the forefoot. It's my favorite last along with the 238 for my slightly narrower than D feet.


    Norcal,

    Is the 341 narrower than than the 337 or the 348? Is the length about the same as those lasts or does it run smaller like many of the other lasts?
     


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    My experience:

    The 341 is roughly the same length as the 337 and the fit is similar (with the 341 maybe slightly more roomy).

    The 238 is slightly shorter than the 341/337 and the fit is slightly narrower.

    I found the 348 to fit large and so went half a size down with my pair - and they're still slightly longer than the 337. [​IMG]
     


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    On some models of C&J for BB last numbers overlap; other times they don't.
    I would've been spared the whole masturbatory exercise had I known in advance which of C&J lasts run narrow.
    So here goes

    348: bordering on you-gotta-be-shitting-me narrow (Barney's exclusive Bagshot' Monk-Strap boot with dainite sole)

    324: narrow to the point of being rather uncomfortable to walk around in (C&J for BB wingtip monks)

    240: narrow as in very snug; unlikely to be broken in (C&J for BB plain monks)


    So if you've got standard (D) width foot, I suggest you keep on walking - pardon the pun [​IMG]
     


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    The last they use on the Cordovan derbies for Polo are very narrow for me although still wearable. I think they use the 325. This could possibly be due to a size conversion error but they seem narrow regardless.

    Every other last they use which I have tried on fits like a glove and they do not seem narrow at all.
     


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