I stopped in at Brooks Brothers to have a look at these shoes. I asked the SA if they were made by C&J or AS. He said neither and explained Brooks Brothers owns the Peal & Co. name and makes shoes themselves to Peal & Co's original specifications. Huh? What? Then I went across the street to Ralph Lauren to have a look at this coat, since I read it was possible to get it with the traditional velvet collar. The SA there claimed to not have one in stock, but said if I ordered online, to be sure I sized up if I was going to wear it over a suit. I was under the impression that dress overcoat sizes took into account that you'd be wearing them over a suit and you should buy one listed as the same size as your suit jacket. Am I wrong about that? Or is this just because Black Label is cut slimmer than normal?