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My visit to Loake

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by unbelragazzo, Aug 26, 2013.

  1. othertravel

    othertravel Senior member

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    Brooks brothers sell rebranded Loakes. Decent value during corp/f&f sales.
     
  2. YRR92

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    I hear you on that one, but Loakes would be enough of a purchase that I'd want them to be 100%

    othertravel, do you know how to spot the BB Loakes? I thought all the Peal & Co shoes were C&J.
     
  3. othertravel

    othertravel Senior member

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    Definitely not all C&J.

    This is Loake:

    http://www.brooksbrothers.com/Peal-...dwvar_161H_Color=BLCK&contentpos=58&cgid=0522


    C&J:

    http://www.brooksbrothers.com/Peal-...var_MH00194_Color=BRWN&contentpos=5&cgid=0522

    You can tell the difference by looking at the font on "Peal & Co". The Loake shoes have an elongated font, whereas the C&J font is small and squarish (credit to Steve Smith for identifying this).
     
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    Right, and the posts above (and Loake's prices) have convinced me to risk buying without trying on first!

    It would be awesome to buy directly from their site's selection, but "We are unable to offer overseas deliveries at this time".
     
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  6. wurger

    wurger Senior member

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    Make sure you email them about sizing enquiries before purchase.
     
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  7. FlyingMonkey

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    I'm glad to see Loake getting their due. They also have a brogue featured in the new issue of Free & Easy magazine in Japan and seem to be being sold in some 'cool' shops here, so maybe it's their turn to get hyped like Tricker's. Everyone goes crazy over Tricker's brogue boots (especially on the other side of this forum) and yet the brogue boots in the Loake 1880 range are every bit as nice IMHO, and certainly a lot cheaper.
     
  8. Isbister

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    Loake make some very good shoes - certainly in the 1880 line, and a few of the others are good too. I have various Loake brogues and particularly like the toe shape. Arguably not as elegant as say Crockett & Jones, but probably just as well made and much better value for money.

    They also make some dross however - too much corrected grain, and some shoes are not made in Kettering at all but in India. Nothing necessarily wrong with that I suppose, but it seems to be playing rather fast and loose with notions of tradition.
     
  9. Quadcammer

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    ehhh, i'm not so sure about that.
     
  10. wurger

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    The finishing is definitely not as well
     
  11. msulinski

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    Charles Tyrwhitt shoes are Loake. The CT shoes in the $325 range are the ones that are the equivalent of the 1880 line. They are listed as "made in England."
     
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  12. TheWraith

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    Close enough for many people, I'm sure. Not experts, but most people aren't.
     
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  13. Quadcammer

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    well, if you want to go there, then you can say that the finishing on cole haans is almost as good as loake, and then you end up spiraling down.

    C&J offers a premium product at a premium price. Loakes are a solid, robust entry level GY welted shoe. Just like AE, they last a long time, look good, and wear well, but the fine detailing is lacking, as is commensurate with the price.
     
  14. TheWraith

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    Of course, I understand, and so do you, but there are plenty out there who wouldn't, and that was my point.
     
  15. Isbister

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    You're not sure they are as well made as C&J? They use the same processes, the same types of machinery. The important distinction would be that C&J use finer types of calfskin, and where any handwork is involved - e.g. burnishing - C&J can be trusted to do a better job. But in terms of construction, the Loake shoes I have are every bit as well made as my several pairs of C&Js. Some are getting on for 10 years old and have been treated quite mercilessly, yet are still in very good order. If anything, they seem almost more robust than my C&Js which, being of finer calf, tend to scratch rather easily.
     
  16. wurger

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    it's more about how you define well made. If you are just talking about goodyear welt construction, they probably will last the same length, but quadcammer and myself are including finishing too.
     
  17. Quadcammer

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    Porsche and Kia also use the same processes and the same types of machinery. That doesn't mean the quality is the same.

    C&J uses finer materials, has finer stitching, better quality control, more accurate clickers, etc.

    of course the GY welting is the same, but the way in which it is done is simply better at C&J.

    Now mind you, its not a dramatic difference like comparing a glued Aldo POS with edward greens, but there is a difference.
     
  18. Isbister

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    Perhaps I've just been lucky with my choice of shoes, but comparing my Loakes with my Crocketts, I can't distinguish any of the shortcomings that your analysis would suggest exist. The stitching is all accurate - it's very possibly to an almost imperceptibly coarser gauge, but that is all.

    I've seen Goodyear welting done at various shoe factories - most recently at Edward Green. It's very hard to do it either 'better' or 'worse' - it's all done by a machine in about 8 seconds a shoe.
     
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  19. Quadcammer

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    the welting process is not the only part of shoemaking, which I'm sure you acknowledge
     
  20. Isbister

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    Far from it.

    Welting a) at Sanders & Sanders; b) at Edward Green - or is it the other way round?


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