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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by LabelKing, Aug 10, 2006.

  1. grimslade

    grimslade Stylish Dinosaur

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    Agreed.

    [The New Yorker
    March 2, 1946


    A patron of Brooks Brothers got his statement this month and found that he was billed for two scarves. He called the store and protested that he hadn't bought any scarves. The store said he had, tossing in the word "four-in-hands" by way of explanation. "Oh, ties!" said the customer. "Ties", said Brooks brothers, "are bow ties." What if he came in and bought what he would consider a couple of scarves - what would Brooks Brothers call them? "What you refer to as scarves", the voice said, "are mufflers."]



    Hard to imagine BB doing that today...
     


  2. Edward Appleby

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    Though on the one hand I feel sorry for the bewildered salespeople, on the other hand I'm glad that there are people like LK around whose refusal to live wholly in the 21st century is staunch enough to be reflected in their actions.
     


  3. LabelKing

    LabelKing Stylish Dinosaur

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    Well, that's what they get for poor assistance the last time I was there.
     


  4. LabelKing

    LabelKing Stylish Dinosaur

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    Is he burying the Burberry dreck?
    He used to travel in China's Yunnan province with a rubber bathtub, full photographic studio, a sedan chair, wardrobe, numerous tents, and a gramaphone with opera records.
    “For nearly twelve years prior to the outbreak of World War II, I had been engaged upon the special project of studying and translating the religious texts of the Na-khi [or Naxi] tribe of northwest Yünnan. When it became impossible for me to stay in Likiang for economic reasons, I gathered my material and shipped it from Calcutta on the S.S. Richard Hovey to the United States. This ship was sunk in 1944 by the Japanese and all my work was lost. I then determined to return to China to do the work over again."
    This man is very admirable.
     


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    According to the pictures posted, you mean a tie.

    In that case, why would you feel the need to be a difficult customer and push an antiquated term on a salesperson? Of course they're going to show you a Burberry nova check or cashmere tartan when you ask for a scarf. Not everyone has the time to sit around, learn trite little synonyms and pretend they live in a bygone era. People who live in the 21st century call those silly ol' things scarves.

    Sounds like you were just being a cavalier asshole.



    If you read LK's post (who IMO is a valued contributor to SF) he never said anything insulting or the like to the salesperson. He was at worst using an out-of-date expression.

    Thus, I suggest playing nice. Your language is at best an over-reaction and at worst ...
     


  6. LabelKing

    LabelKing Stylish Dinosaur

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    If you read LK's post (who IMO is a valued contributor to SF) he never said anything insulting or the like to the salesperson. He was at worst using an out-of-date expression.

    Thus, I suggest playing nice. Your language is at best an over-reaction and at worst ...

    Thank you for the comments, Horton.


    No, my intention was never to insult anyone much akin to how Kenneth Pollock's manifesto was taken to extreme analysis.
     


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    If I heard someone ask for scarves I wouldn't have done anything different then the sales staff. I like using old archiac terms too, but you could have been more helpful to the staff as well. If you'd ask for "neck scarves" they could have likely figured out what you wanted, or if you wanted to continue playing with old terms you could have responded "no, I don't want a 'muffler' I'd like a 'scarf.'"

    I think this is one of the situations where after they clearly didn't understand what you were talking about you could have been helpful and used the modern term. They would have learnt something and you would have been shown what you wanted.
     


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    Did they have any S.T. Dupont cufflinks?
     


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    Did they have any S.T. Dupont cufflinks?
    [​IMG] (I think)
     


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    Did they have any S.T. Dupont cufflinks?

    Huh? (We need a smiley for a joke that is going over someone's head).
     


  11. LabelKing

    LabelKing Stylish Dinosaur

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    Did they have any S.T. Dupont cufflinks?
    S.T.Dupont is only sold in this Asian jewelry store in San Jose, and Milpitas. However, I did ask if they had lemonade colored formal shirts with ruffles.
     


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    If I heard someone ask for scarves I wouldn't have done anything different then the sales staff. I like using old archiac terms too, but you could have been more helpful to the staff as well. If you'd ask for "neck scarves" they could have likely figured out what you wanted, or if you wanted to continue playing with old terms you could have responded "no, I don't want a 'muffler' I'd like a 'scarf.'"

    I think this is one of the situations where after they clearly didn't understand what you were talking about you could have been helpful and used the modern term. They would have learnt something and you would have been shown what you wanted.



    When I read LK's original post, it's quite clear that when the staff remained confused, LK pointed to the ties. He is guilty of not using the commonly understood term "tie" and nothing more.

    I found his story interesting especially because it related to a situation at a store where one might expect a little more knowledge about clothing terminology and knowledge. I've seen the term muffler used to describe what most people call scarves.
     


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    DNW Stylish Dinosaur

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    I can't agree with you here LK. You and them know perfectly what a tie is, and vice versa for a scarf. Why the need for confusion? You're just aggravating yourself, and most likely the staff too. They're just there to make a living. There's no need to make their lives miserable because they weren't born in the bygone era.
     


  14. LabelKing

    LabelKing Stylish Dinosaur

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    I can't agree with you here LK. You and them know perfectly what a tie is, and vice versa for a scarf. Why the need for confusion? You're just aggravating yourself, and most likely the staff too. They're just there to make a living. There's no need to make their lives miserable because they weren't born in the bygone era.
    I'm going to be flippant here, and say because that's what they get for poor service last time. There are a number of small, subtle ways to combat inferior, and glib shop service.
     


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    There are a number of small, subtle ways to combat inferior, and glib shop service.

    You should take your parents shopping with you - salespeople will be more helpful with a grown-up present.
     


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