My new shoes stretched in a wierd way...

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by whochrisliu, Apr 28, 2012.

  1. whochrisliu

    whochrisliu Well-Known Member

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    Thank you Lejourve,

    The shoes are actually US 10.5 D. Whats interesting is that prior to walking around on them the toplines never bulged out. Walking around for a few minutes at home nothing ever happened. Only when I wore them out for the first time, which resulted in 2 nasty blisters did I notice the second day they looked like this. I wasnt even out that long really, did mostly driving unless...perhaps toe-ing the gas pedal somehow caused this? My left foot also rests at a angle with toes bent not flat on the ground when I drive putting it about the same angle as my right gas foot....Just a thought, anyways...They also rest with the trees inside them so they shouldent have warped on me overnight. I recently discovered that I can push down on certain spots on the sole with my fingers and the toplines bulge (just using my fingers my foot is not inside the shoe) that is peculiar.

    Well I just dont know if the shoe can be salvaged at a bootmaker. I think tomorrow I am going to go to Neiman Marcus, for some reason they started carrying John Lobb, I will go try a few shoes out there (probably wont buy anything their going for the price of 2 Vass' shoes retail)

    Oh and "G&G Shoes" and "Nik from Bespoke" are the guys from this website? http://www.bespoke-england.co.uk/

    Thanks,
    Chris
     


  2. chobochobo

    chobochobo Rubber Chicken Dubiously Honored Moderator

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    Nick from Bespoke England sells G&G shoes and is great to deal with.
     


  3. LeJouvre

    LeJouvre Senior member

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    Speak with Rezso at Vass shoes, he is the son-in-law.

    Tell him you want to do a self measurement and send it to Vass so he can make the adjustments.

    The best case scenario is a perfect fit, the worst case scenario is a better fit.

    Ask Lobb of St James to send a "self measuring form" and use that one.

    To check your actual shoe size vs width try a few measuring charts for you to get an idea of how far off track you might be:-

    http://www.phc-online.com/v/vspfiles/html/foot_chart_popup.htm

    http://www.runtheplanet.com/img/resources/tools/measuringmachine.pdf

    and my personal favourite:-

    http://www.veganline.com/shoe-sizes.htm

    I think those shoes are a tad too long and that you chose them because they had a comfortable toe box, just my suspicion.

    Good luck
     
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  4. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    A lot of the following is opinion...albeit opinion based on many years of experience. So take it for what it is worth...

    First, I suspect that the shoes didn't really fit you correctly. Every shoe will have a shape and a certain structure/rigidity initially that cannot be sustained. The shoe is leather, not wood. The leather will relax, it will flex, it will try to conform itself to the shape of your foot as opposed to the shape of the last.

    Second, I doubt that any repair can correct or even improve the situation...with one caveat based upon your description--you mentioned that you could push down on the insole with your fingers and simulate the spreading. This suggests that an inadequate shank support has been used. It may also be related to an improper leveling of the heel...with too much "spring" under the breast of the heel. Or more likely, a combination of both.

    If a quality...steel...shank were used during a re-bottoming and the heel was built to sit flat under the original last, it might prevent the "collapse" you describe although I suspect that not all the "spreading" would disappear, simply because the damage is done.

    A third observation is that little short of a MTO or bespoke shoe will ever properly address your foot problem. The measurements could be perfectly correct on the last but the substance...the shape...is not congruent with your foot shape. In such a case, the shoe, made to the shape of the last, may fit fine initially but the foot will eventually force a different shape on the shoe.

    Only by creating a last that models and respects the shape of the foot and, almost as importantly, the footprint, can this problem be addressed. Sending measurements, BTW, is a fool's game. The maker needs to see the foot.

    Finally, with all due respect...I am of the opinion that most of what was written by the fellow at AE is addressed to some other problem; is apocryphal; or simply white noise to camouflage an unwillingness to acknowledge a problem. I can't see any of the issues he addressed being relevant.

    Just my [​IMG]
     
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  5. rabiesinfrance

    rabiesinfrance Senior member

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    I've had the same problem. It's basically a last issue - they don't fit. The 341 C&J last is a no no for me. But I'm fine in most shoes. The second point is that it's complicated by the fact that it's a full brogue. Follow the wing tip down to the bend and you'll see what I mean.
     
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  6. whochrisliu

    whochrisliu Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the info, I emailed Lobb for one of their forums, I checked out both Vass-Shoes and the Vass-Cipo website I cant find the contact info to Rezso, do you know what it is?
    Well the area I pressed is where the shank would be, but with all the high praise of Vass shoes and their build quality how on earth would they screw up with the steel shank?

    Thank you both for your very honest opinions. Kind of sucks, 700 clams down the drain, this shoe went wrong on every imaginable level. Where would I get fitted for a bespoke shoe anyways? Neiman Marcus has Lobb but they are the RTW line I think, and they are going for about $1600. Do these stores like Vass, Eg, JL, JM Weston, G&G, Carmina etc have stores in North America? I mean hell a airplane ticket over to wherever they are is already 2 MTO shoes. I guess I could get Allen Edmond or something but I was hoping to get a more higher quality dress shoe...
     
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  7. jammyo40

    jammyo40 Well-Known Member

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    The English shoemakers tend to have trunks shows in major metropolitan cities in the US. GC and G&G both visited Dallas and Dean Girling himself helped me with sizing with my first pair of G&Gs.
     


  8. MyOtherLife

    MyOtherLife Senior member

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    For clarification purposes, my response was an inside joke. It was not intended to make light of your situation. :)
     


  9. whochrisliu

    whochrisliu Well-Known Member

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    My mistake, your avatar makes everything you say look quite serious [​IMG]
     


  10. Snedley

    Snedley Senior member

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    They may be the wrong size/width combination or you may just have an odd foot shape.
     


  11. Snedley

    Snedley Senior member

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    Shoes do not need to be broken in and should fit perfectly when you buy them. Stay away from shoes like Vass(Lobb too) that only come in 1 width. And yes you are right, slip ons are better made shoes and will fit properly. There's no need to wear laced shoes.
     


  12. Snedley

    Snedley Senior member

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    You buy those at Bergdoff's? Tell them they're defective and to credit your account. If they want the shoes back tell them to have UPS collect them.
     


  13. whochrisliu

    whochrisliu Well-Known Member

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    No I didnt Snedley, I got them from Ascot Shoes. Dont think I can get a refund.
     


  14. pnutpug

    pnutpug Senior member

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    Oh, come now---that's ridiculous. You're either joking or a troll.
     


  15. uniesse

    uniesse Senior member

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    Are these the U or K last?
     


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