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My new F430

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by zjpj83, Aug 13, 2006.

  1. saunderscc

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    100k is not a silly benchmark for a daily driver at all. Perhaps silly only in that it is not a high enough figure.
    I'm going to assume that the average car driven by the average American has far fewer miles than 100,000 on the odometer. In fact, I'm going to assume the average US driver will never own the same vehicle over a 100,000 mile cycle. Although, I don't particularly care enough to research the statistic. So, I may be wrong. Perhaps, you should check the definition of reliability? Then, it might be appropriate to measure the duration or probability of failure-free performance under stated conditions. Say, the average duration for manufacturers' warranties in time/mileage? In any case, an arbitrary 100,000 mile (or longer, as you suggest) measure of reliability is beyond silly IMO. Especially when you consider the average annual mileage assumed by most manufacturers to be 12-15,000 miles per annum.
     
  2. LabelKing

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    My '60s Mercedes-Benz has over 290,000 miles. In fact, I just received a mileage award with a nice grille badge from Mercedes-Benz.

    This has more to do with the inferior quality that modern cars have which are designed to expire at or slightly above 100,000 miles.
     
  3. zjpj83

    zjpj83 Senior member

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    My '60s Mercedes-Benz has over 290,000 miles. In fact, I just received a mileage award with a nice grille badge from Mercedes-Benz.

    This has more to do with the inferior quality that modern cars have which are designed to expire at or slightly above 100,000 miles.

    That's awesome. I've had a couple of modern cars die at or around 100,000. Germans really do build tanks. (No joke intended. Well, I guess a little one.)
     
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    I'm going to assume that the average car driven by the average American has far fewer miles than 100,000 on the odometer. In fact, I'm going to assume the average US driver will never own the same vehicle over a 100,000 mile cycle. Although, I don't particularly care enough to research the statistic. So, I may be wrong. Perhaps, you should check the definition of reliability? Then, it might be appropriate to measure the duration or probability of failure-free performance under stated conditions. Say, the average duration for manufacturers' warranties in time/mileage? In any case, an arbitrary 100,000 mile (or longer, as you suggest) measure of reliability is beyond silly IMO. Especially when you consider the average annual mileage assumed by most manufacturers to be 12-15,000 miles per annum.
    Z- great car. Please do enjoy. I agree with Huntsman. While almost all cars need some maintenance work around 75k to 100k miles (brakes, etc), there is something about a car that makes that 100k refresh and then keeps going strong. My sister has a 92 camry still rolling fine at 200K+ miles. Its a great car. A performance car with those kinds of miles would also be fun to see.
     
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    I was watching an episode of 5th gear where they got to take an enzo and a mclaren f1 out on the open roads and he mentioned the recommended maintanence on a the F1 costs around 30k every 6,000 miles or something around there.

     
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    thats a good video thanks for passing it along...I want to see a comparison video of the Veyron to the F1 though. I think the Veyron will finally put the F1 to rest as the greatest sports car ever.
     
  8. Kai

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    Perhaps you have a small acquaintance, or a large acquaintance of leasers?

    saunderscc, meet Huntsman. Huntsman, saunderscc.

    My Jag's just a few away from 100k. My father's daily driver is 140k (in 5 years), the old Blazer is better than 750k, the Oldsmobile, when we sold it, was at 176k. In an era of ever-longer commutes, 100k is not a silly benchmark for a daily driver at all. Perhaps silly only in that it is not a high enough figure. Something like zip's F430 is a different class -- you may pay some reliability in fun, but isn't that expected? The great engineering lets you have it both ways to some degree, but not to equivalence.

    Regards,
    Huntsman


    I own two cars over 100k miles. I have a Subaru Loyale station wagon with 198k, still going strong, and a Chevy Suburban SUV with 102k, also still going strong. Neither car has had much in the way of major repairs, just tune-ups, oil changes, and the like.

    I put a lot of miles on my cars. My other Subaru (an STi) has close to 40k miles on it in two and 1/2 years, and I put 22k miles on my Viper in my first 2 years of ownership.

    So, I'd say that 100k is a good starting point for judging a car's reliability.
     
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    I think the Veyron will finally put the F1 to rest as the greatest sports car ever.

    It won't for me, because the Veyron is not a very elegantly engineered car. The best thing about the F1 was how they started from sound first principles, and as a result, produced a car that did so many amazing things without specifically aiming for those things. The Veyron was engineered to specifically be the best at some of those things, and they had some trouble doing it without resorting to inelegant solutions tacked on at the end (eg. the car has a different configuration for its high speed run). The Veyron is nowhere as pure a design as the F1.

    If I had to get a current production supercar, the Porsche Carrera GT or a Ferrari V8 of some sort would be my choices, but it's still the Big Mac uber alles.

    --Andre
     
  10. zjpj83

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    Veyron is gross in my opinion. Horrible design that is not aesthetically pleasing to me, and at the end of the day they were trying to make the fastest car they could -- not the complete package.
     
  11. MrRogers

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    I'm a little late but congrats on the new car, the 430 is gorgeous, great decision. My father has always had a Ferrari in the garage and I've grown a great appreciation for them since a young age.

    Hopefully one day i'll trade in BMW's for a 246 GTS. I'm hoping that by the time us youngsters (im 26) will be ready to purchase these cars, there will be a superflous amount of 360's available on the used market priced at the level of 308's today.

    MrR
     
  12. zjpj83

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    I'm a little late but congrats on the new car, the 430 is gorgeous, great decision. My father has always had a Ferrari in the garage and I've grown a great appreciation for them since a young age.

    Hopefully one day i'll trade in BMW's for a 246 GTS. I'm hoping that by the time us youngsters (im 26) will be ready to purchase these cars, there will be a superflous amount of 360's available on the used market priced at the level of 308's today.

    MrR

    I think you will be in luck. Ferrari are building more cars than ever before. This is good news for those looking for used cars in the future.
     
  13. MrRogers

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    zjp, being an owner of Ferrari's for some years, how do you feel about standard stick shift no longer being an option in liu of the F1 paddles. Pop's picked up a 550 Maranello earlier in the year and gripes about the unavailability of a standard stick.

    I'm sure the paddles offer a quicker shift but for the purists who rarely visit the track seems that recent offerings leave them wanting in this dept. Waddya u think?

    MrR
     
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    zjp, being an owner of Ferrari's for some years, how do you feel about standard stick shift no longer being an option in liu of the F1 paddles. Pop's picked up a 550 Maranello earlier in the year and gripes about the unavailability of a standard stick.

    I'm sure the paddles offer a quicker shift but for the purists who rarely visit the track seems that recent offerings leave them wanting in this dept. Waddya u think?

    MrR

    MrR -

    Stick is still available on all models except the Enzo.

    In addition, stick was the only transmission available on the 550, which they stopped production of in 2001.

    So, are you sure?
     
  15. zjpj83

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    Perhaps he got a used 575? Stick was available on the 575, but only about 10% of cars were ordered with it.
     
  16. MrRogers

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    zjp, perhaps i'm mistaken and confusing the 550 and 575. The car was bought new from the dealership after trading in an 01 360, long bonnet, engine in the front if that differentiates between the two. From what i understood a stick wasnt an option, but perhaps it was rather just unavailable.

    MrR
     
  17. zjpj83

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    zjp, perhaps i'm mistaken and confusing the 550 and 575. The car was bought new from the dealership after trading in an 01 360, long bonnet, engine in the front if that differentiates between the two. From what i understood a stick wasnt an option, but perhaps it was rather just unavailable.

    MrR

    If it has a back seat, it's the 612 Scaglietti
    If he is a super-VIP Ferrari customer, and he just got it, it might be the brand new 599 GTB
    Most likely, however, if it has paddles and is front engine, it's the 575 Maranello.

    All of these cars come with manual, though they are rare with the manual. The 575 Superamerica also came with a standard manual. Pics of these attached.
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  18. MrRogers

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    If it has a back seat, it's the 612 Scaglietti
    If he is a super-VIP Ferrari customer, and he just got it, it might be the brand new 599 GTB
    Most likely, however, if it has paddles and is front engine, it's the 575 Maranello.

    All of these cars come with manual, though they are rare with the manual. The 575 Superamerica also came with a standard manual. Pics of these attached.



    Haha now im thoroughly confused, ill have to check. Its not a 612 as we both find that model hideous, not the 599 as i'm familiar with that. Hes an aficionado but has always owned mainstream stuff, dino, 308, TR, 360 etc.
    Thanks for the knowledge though

    MrR
     
  19. zjpj83

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    I wanted a F430 in 6-speed and was told I had to get an F1. They just don't get many 6-speed allocations. The factory tells the dealer "ok, this month you can order 9 F1s and 1 6-speed." I don't know why it's so hard for the factory to build whatever gearbox is ordered, but that's how I was told it happens.
     
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    What are the advantages of stick over paddles?
     

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