My meeting with G&G

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  1. scottSF

    scottSF Member

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    I visited Tony and Dean in SF and marvelled at the samples on display.

    Particularly impressive were the channeled soles, fiddleback waists, and the elegant smaller heels all at a price equivalent to comparable RTW shoes I own which do not possess the same features.

    I ordered the Rothschild in Rosewood and the Connaught in Vintage Rioja.
    Both on the Mitchell- TG73 last (classic square). Trees were extra.

    My decision to order 2 pairs MTO instead of bespoke taking into consideration what I currently wear in my rotation and my budget. To complete my year's shoe purchase, I would like a monk, probably the RLPL Grant.
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  2. LARon

    LARon Senior member

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    Your third choice would be my first. Those are nicest wingtips I've ever seen. The medallion is beautiful.

    Agreed, and it wasn't an easy choice. But, a choice had to be made. I very well may order them in March, on their return visit. (see next post)
     
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    LARon Senior member

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    The Rothschild scottSF ordered is the RTW version of the bespoke pair I elected to pass on.
     
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    A Y Senior member

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    I saw Tony and Dean this morning for the first fitting of my bespoke shoe, a very sleek horsebit loafer with a split toe in a reddish-brown aniline leather (ie. no antiquing). It was improbably sleek even on my foot and with all the stuff Tony had to add to accommodate my terrible feet. We were pretty happy all around, and the only change necessary was tightening up the heel to get rid of some heel slippage.

    I had a chance to see the G&G RTW line, and they were nice: imagine the current EG line, but with nicer sole finishing, higher, shaped heels, and a slightly more chiseled toe. If they can meet demand (and they seemed to be confident of this), it's going to be a great value compared to EG: it's basically a nicer EG for substantially less money. Tony also says that these shoes are the next evolutionary step for EG had he stayed with them. His next comment gave an interesting insight to him and the English shoe industry: he says that 20 or 30 years from now when he gets complacent, he expects another hungry, young shoemaker to do the same thing to him as he's done to EG. Apparently, that's how it's always been in Northhampton, and I suppose in any other competitive field.

    We talked about a bunch of other things including a bespoke opera pump. Though he and Dean politely tried to convince me that a wholecut was appropriate and a whole lot more versatile, I wasn't having any of it. [​IMG] So Tony relented and said that if he were doing a bespoke pump, he'd want one in black stingray! That's an intriguing thought, but thankfully I'll have lots of time to talk myself out of it as I break in and see how the loafers go before ordering another shoe.

    Anyway, the point is that these are a couple of interesting, forthright guys, and are lots of fun to work with.

    --Andre
     
  5. aportnoy

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    LA Ron, Andre and Scott...congrats on your new addiitons, they all sound exquisite![​IMG]

    I keep telling myself to stay away but this is making it extremely difficult. Have the fellas been to NYC yet?[​IMG]
     
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    A galuchat pump is an inspired idea! Not high on the utility pole, mind you, but a great combination and s.thing you never see--perfect for a bespoke shoe!
     
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    A Y Senior member

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    Andrew, I believe NYC is the last city of their US tour, so they should there at the end of this week.. The dates and location should be on their website somewhere. I'd look it up, except I'm currently stuck at SFO with only a PDA phone.

    I forgot to mention one more thing: there was a recent discussion on whether EG RTW trees are last-specific or not. According to Tony, the answer is kinda. Similar lasts will share trees: the 888 and 82 use the same tree, for example. The body is lasted, but the toe is generic. In comparison, G&G RTW all use last-specific trees.

    --Andre
     
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    The Rothschild scottSF ordered is the RTW version of the bespoke pair I elected to pass on.

    LARon,
    Congrats on your G&G bespokes. I envy you!
    Please post pics and share your opinions when you recieve them.
     
  9. LARon

    LARon Senior member

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    LARon,
    Congrats on your G&G bespokes. I envy you!
    Please post pics and share your opinions when you recieve them.



    Thanks; I absolutely will. And congrats on your two excellent choices as well.
     
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    LARon Senior member

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    LA Ron, Andre and Scott...congrats on your new addiitons, they all sound exquisite![​IMG]

    I keep telling myself to stay away but this is making it extremely difficult. Have the fellas been to NYC yet?[​IMG]


    At least go have a look, and offer the forum your insights. You are one of the true shoe mavens of this community. It'd be interesting to have your input. (They'll spend the most time, three days, in NYC, I believe later this week, which as Andre noted, is their last stop.)
     
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    Baron Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    ...it's basically a nicer EG for substantially less money...
    --Andre



    What do the RTW shoes run? I'm surprised they're substantially less that EG.
     
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    At least go have a look, and offer the forum your insights. You are one of the true shoe mavens of this community. It'd be interesting to have your input. (They'll spend the most time, three days, in NYC, I believe later this week, which as Andre noted, is their last stop.)


    Thnaks for the kind words Ron. After your enticing description, it will be virtually impossible to stay away.

    I think I'll have to at least have a look-see. Please, no "I told you sos" from JCusey or Manton, please.[​IMG]
     
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    LA Ron, Andre and Scott...congrats on your new addiitons, they all sound exquisite![​IMG]

    I keep telling myself to stay away but this is making it extremely difficult. Have the fellas been to NYC yet?[​IMG]


    Thanks much!
    Tony and Dean will be in NYC for 4 days from October 18th thru the 21st (Waldorf Astoria and the last day at another location).

    http://www.gazianogirling.com/content/html
     
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    So, just a little bespoke price comparison, if I may.

    G&G - $2,875 (1550 GBP)
    Cleverley - $2,689 (1450 GBP)
    John Lobb Paris - $4,450
    John Lobb St. James - $3,858 (2,080 GBP, not including trees)
     
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    Interestingly, they expressed a bit of discomfort with how widely they've become known, apparently through a number of different fora, including this one.
    Did they elaborate about this feeling of discomfort over their renown?


    He also explained that they reason they felt it time to part
    company with EG is that, as a designer -- and a young one at that -- they felt the old English makers are just two stodgy and staid and unwise to (and uninterested in) the power of marketing


    Ouch. Beatin' up on old EG.
     

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