My favorite tie brand

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by RJman, May 1, 2008.

  1. Zandros

    Zandros Senior member

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    http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8153/imgp0830ch2.jpg

    The yellow paisley print is of a brightness and beauty of color I haven't seen the likes of elsewhere:

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    Blue paisley weave:

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    The yellow and the blue are absolutely gorgeous. In lieu of selling my soul to own them, I will have to honour them with sacrificing my first post.

    Edit: Apparently spoiler tags don't work...

    /Adrian
     
  2. RJman

    RJman Posse Member Dubiously Honored

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    I got them from Yoox four years ago. There are a bunch of H&Bs on yoox right now, BTW...
     
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    Darn nice ties and an amazing writeup. Thanks again! Anyone in the NY area can look for H+B ties at C21 where they retail for $40. They are simply astounding ties for the money and a select few of them are even marked Made in England.
     
  4. RJman

    RJman Posse Member Dubiously Honored

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    FYI, not saying the Made in Italy ties are of inferior quality or anything, and I have the suspicion that from 2003-04 onwards even the ties marked made in England may have been only nominally made in England, given how the word on the street was that H&B was no longer around. It's just that, on some level, once it became made in Italy, even though of the same or perhaps better quality, the maker's name became just a brand name, the same way that walking into the Drumohr store in Milan, it seemed that now that everything's made in Italy (except the Shetlands), there wasn't much point in buying Drumohr as opposed to some other name, since whatever made Drumohr so individual as a maker wouldn't logically exist anymore now that it was simply a brand owned by Marinella (yes!) being used to sell high-quality knitwear.
     
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    RJ, I bought an H&B tie from a store in Georgetown back in 2005. As far as I know, it was new inventory, and still made in England (so says the label, at least). It's a really nicely made tie, but I never wear it on account of the pattern (bright pink and green plaid).
     
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    A recently acquired vintage H&B for A&S. The hand is very dry, almost like a fine linen.

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    That medallion tie in light blue is incredible. [​IMG]
     
  8. voxsartoria

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    I don't know what to say.

    Some are wonderful, especially the unlined seven folds, and most particularly, the Udeshi.

    Many are mediocre or bland...the latter not in useful way.

    Many are...aesthetically challenging. I am having a hard time deciding if it is because they are for advanced users or because they are hideous. Probably a little bit of both.

    Is the same Italian manufactury making the Church's-branded ties for Prada making the H&B branded ties? Some of the Church's aren't bad for three folds.

    - B
     
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    greekonomist Senior member

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    RJ, I bought an H&B tie from a store in Georgetown...

    Which store? (I feel this is going to end with me spending money)
     
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    Many are...aesthetically challenging. I am having a hard time deciding if it is because they are for advanced users or because they are hideous. Probably a little bit of both.

    - B


    I was thinking the same thing. In all honesty, I can't imagine wearing the majority of the ties shown.
     
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    RJ, I bought an H&B tie from a store in Georgetown back in 2005. As far as I know, it was new inventory, and still made in England (so says the label, at least). It's a really nicely made tie, but I never wear it on account of the pattern (bright pink and green plaid).

    Yes, I have about 4 Made in England H&B (all purchased in the last year from C21) and there is no way they are pre-2003/04 stock. A couple have unlined tips (I bought the same patterned tie in navy, burgundy and almost bought the brown one too) and the others are tipped (not self though). The only thing they all have in common is they are all made with English 50 oz silk. I'll try to take some pics.
     
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    Pics of made in England H&B ties in 50 oz silk (here with unlined tips; I now regret not buying the brown as these are probably my favorite ties):

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    The brown is a five-fold tie and the navy is standard construction.

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    These two are made by H&B for Hardy Amies. They are great but the silks are not as nice and beefy as the 50oz twill.

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    So the initials HB on the tag mean it's UK made or an Italian era tie?

    Leon
     
  14. RJman

    RJman Posse Member Dubiously Honored

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    RJ, I bought an H&B tie from a store in Georgetown back in 2005. As far as I know, it was new inventory, and still made in England (so says the label, at least). It's a really nicely made tie, but I never wear it on account of the pattern (bright pink and green plaid).
    Everard's. Back in '05 they were still marked made in England. The made in Italy labelling began around 2006.
    I don't know what to say.

    Some are wonderful, especially the unlined seven folds, and most particularly, the Udeshi.

    Many are mediocre or bland...the latter not in useful way.

    Many are...aesthetically challenging. I am having a hard time deciding if it is because they are for advanced users or because they are hideous. Probably a little bit of both.

    Is the same Italian manufactury making the Church's-branded ties for Prada making the H&B branded ties? Some of the Church's aren't bad for three folds.

    - B

    Well, my goal was not to say that H&B are the greatest tie brand or that they only make beautiful ties. Some designs really are stomach-churning (buyer's remorse), while others are as soporific as the Marinella selection at the Georges V. I don't think the Church's branded ties are made by the same maker. There do seem to be a lot of them at Filene's Basement, though.

    Which store? (I feel this is going to end with me spending money)
    Everard's, as above.

    So the initials HB on the tag mean it's UK made or an Italian era tie?

    Leon

    Neither, just that it's made by Holliday & Brown (at least nominally), the same way that the "MD" initials on a tie indicate it's made by Drake's.
     
  15. voxsartoria

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    Well, my goal was not to say that H&B are the greatest tie brand or that they only make beautiful ties. Some designs really are stomach-churning (buyer's remorse), while others are as soporific as the Marinella selection at the Georges V.

    The examples are quite interesting, RJ...thank you.

    - B
     

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