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Mr Manton on presidential style

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by sloaney, Jun 20, 2006.

  1. Lucky Strike

    Lucky Strike Senior member

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    Are you certain? Several Americans are Knights of the British Empire. Being a KBE doesn't allow you to be called sir (I think you need to be from the Commonwealth for that), but I know they have been bestowed.
    Those are knighthoods, and not hereditary or titles of nobility - and you're right, you have to be a Commonwealth member to use the "Sir" prefix. I've read somewhere that the Kennedys were given a papal order of nobility, with crests, robes and the full monty.
     
  2. RJman

    RJman Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I've read somewhere that the Kennedys were given a papal order of nobility, with crests, robes and the full monty.
    The RJ cat is an honorary Vatican consul to the Left Bank. And a member of Felis Dei.
     
  3. LabelKing

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    You mean in some sort of camp? Or as some sort of camp gesture.
    No, I said by choice. Fintail cars are campy enough.
     
  4. RJman

    RJman Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    No, I said by choice.
    Camp Lynde? Camp Inman?
     
  5. Lucky Strike

    Lucky Strike Senior member

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    The RJ cat is an honorary Vatican consul to the Left Bank. And a member of Felis Dei.
    A regular vaticat.
     
  6. LabelKing

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    Camp Lynde? Camp Inman?
    Camp Coc-a-teau. I hear it's all the rage with ex-gay ministries. And no mothers allowed.
     
  7. RJman

    RJman Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I hear it's all the rage with ex-gay ministries.
    Camp Bown?
     
  8. LabelKing

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    Camp Bown?
    Camp Cohn?

    It's not as discreet as you once thought.
     
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    This is ridiculous. I believe that Churchill was honoured with the Congressional Medal of Honour (or was it the Medal of Freedom? One of the two). Should he have rejected it?

    The highest gong bestowed upon non-Commonwealth nationals is the Knight of the British Empire. I believe that Manton is correct that it does not permit you to actually be called "Sir". However the Consitution prohibits only persons "holding any Office of Profit or Trust under [the United States]" from accepting presents, emoluments or titles from foreign powers without the consent of the Congress. Therefore, Manton could accept such an honour.


    Ridiculous is it? It's up to Mr. Churchill's own conscience to decide whether he should accept such an award or not. But, as far as I know American award ceremonies do not require one to kneel before any kind of monarch. Personally, there is no monarch in the world that I would kneel in front of to receive any kind of honor, award, or title.

    And in case you are curious, yes, a recipient of an honorary knighthood, including a recipient of the title of Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire, which is the honor bestowed upon non-Commonwealth nationals, is required to kneel before the Queen during the ceremony. I'll pass, thank you.

    EDIT: Actually, upon further research, I've discovered that they don't "have" to kneel, but can if they want to. Nevertheless, there is something about the whole thing that rubs me the wrong way.
     
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    The RJ cat is an honorary Vatican consul to the Left Bank. And a member of Felis Dei.
    The Duchess of Alba with her 47 titles does not have to kneel before the Pope, and she alone can ride into the Seville Cathedral on horseback.
     
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    When a KBE is bestowed upon one who is not a subject of the Crown, they are not entitled to the title 'Sir,' though they may use the initial KBE after their name. However, should this individual at some time become a British subject, they would be entitled to 'Sir.'

    Several Americans have KBEs, including Bill Gates, BION.

    Congrats on the book, Manton.

    Regards,
    Huntsman
     
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    RJman Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Said cape was from none other than Brooks Bros.
     
  14. Etienne

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    Said cape was from none other than Brooks Bros.
    Since BB is going to open a store in Paris, does that mean I will have access to that kind of items or have they completely disappeared from its inventory?
     
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    RJman Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Since BB is going to open a store in Paris, does that mean I will have access to that kind of items or have they completely disappeared from its inventory?
    No. If the London shop is any indication, it will be edited to feature their most boring clothes at much bigger markups than in the States. Like Polo RL without any flair. Sad, given that they have done so much better recently.
     
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    Since BB is going to open a store in Paris, does that mean I will have access to that kind of items or have they completely disappeared from its inventory?
    I doubt you can find that sort of cape with its frogged closure anywhere RTW. Maybe the Galliano store.
     
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    I note that on the UK Amazon site they were down to their last 4 copies of Manton's book earlier today; fortunately I bought mine last week, and have just finished reading (and thoroughly enjoying) it.
     
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    Said cape was from none other than Brooks Bros.


    With the new store in Paris, perhaps they will launch, "international trad".
     

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