Motorcycles

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by Tck13, Mar 15, 2006.

  1. Pennglock

    Pennglock Senior member

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    Ok folks, got the temp liscense in hand and am signed up for the MSF course. Let another money-pit hobby begin!
     


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    250 is definitely better for starting with on the track since you really learn how to carry speed through curves better. But on the highway, absolutely brutal buzzing to get to speed.

    Why not an SV650? Good street bike, good track bike.
     


  3. Pennglock

    Pennglock Senior member

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    Almost twice the hp and tq as the 250s. Consensus Ive seen on forums is that power might be a handful for someone who's never sat on a bike.
     


  4. Rumpelstiltskin

    Rumpelstiltskin Senior member

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    What do you think is your personal style? What kind of riding do you envision yourself doing? How tall are you? That will help us find the perfect first (or second...or third...or fourth) bike for you


    Kawasaki KLX250SF - great if you live mostly comute or live in/near an urban environment and can't see yourself taking long trips very often

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    Honda Rebel 250 - these have been around forever and can be had for peanuts. They don't make much power though

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  5. MarioImpemba

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    I learned on a 1203cc 93hp buell last summer. I would get an SV650 or a 500 and skip the 250 step altogether. But others think that's foolish.
     


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    I started out on a ratty VFR800 with a bent frame - didn't kill myself. Had a Ninja 250 for a while, but just found it too annoying to ride. Bought a Multistrada 1200 which i only sold when I left California (IMO there is no bike that even comes close to how perfect that bike is).

    It all depends on what your personality is like. If you are 16-24 or so and like to speed a lot in a car and generally weave through traffic, then (1) don't get a bike because you are an asshole and (2) if you get a bike, get an underpowered 250 to get you by until you grow up. If you are the kind of person who is buying a 250 because you are very safety conscious and don't want to over-buy, then you can probably get an SV650 and just be responsible about it. Basically the people who should start on Ninja 250s are the ones least likely to do so.

    I'd buy an SV650 and have someone chip it downward in power rather than flipping a 250 after a year or so if I was really concerned. I wouldn't buy a fully-faired bike because bike plastic is expensive.
     


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    Well...I think our suggestions were based on the fact that he sold his track car and wanted to get in to motorcycles to replace that :) Something tells me a Rebel isn't what he is looking for.
     


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    I think its true that you don't *need* to start out on a 250 (my bike is a 400...although I suspect a new ninja 250 is 10x faster than a 30-year-old 400). But Most people would agree that a something like a CBR600 or equivalent is not a great bike to learn on.

    I think that what most people are saying is that if the end goal is track riding a super sport bike like that, then a ninja 250 is going to make you a better rider for that style of bike. and 250 to 600 is probably an easier and cheaper upgrade path than having an SV650 or CBR500, deciding it doesn't have quite enough power on the track, and then making a smaller scale upgrade to a much higher revving bike.
     


  9. Rumpelstiltskin

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  11. MarioImpemba

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    I lol'ed.

    By that logic, a 2-stroke is worth a look.
     


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    Agreed. I don't know about anyone else, but I've never been at a track day and said "You know what the new guy needs? More horsepower." More common is some poor rookie in a 911 or Corvette frustrated because people in Miatas are passing him. I don't think the cost to transition from a Ninja 250 or CBR250R to, say, a CBR600RR would be all that significant, and would definitely be worth it.
     


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    This is exactly right at the track, and maybe even more so for motorcycles.

    [VIDEO][/VIDEO]
     


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    I like their advice about practice. With cars, people get their permit as soon as possible, practice driving at every opportunity annoying their parents endlessly, then finally take the test as buy a beater that can barely get out of its own way.

    With motorcycles in the US, people get their permit, take a safety course that usually gets them their license after about 12 hours of riding, and get a bike that will leave most cars in its dust (my 25 year-old Honda will do 0-60 in 3.8secs - and is considered slow). And off they go to hit the interstate and see what that baby will do. The idea of practicing skills in the real world and building up miles gradually is rarely mentioned - people count themselves successful good riders if they simply come home alive.

    Speaking of which, also read "Sweat or Bleed."
     


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