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Moths, and the eradication and prevention thereof.

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Don Carlos, Nov 26, 2010.

  1. scurvyfreedman

    scurvyfreedman Senior member

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    freeze the little fuckers....
    I had some from an ebay buy, I put everything I owned in my 10 degee garage for a few days, it killed everything.


    Not a bad idea. I buy a lot from ebay as well. I always take it straight to the tailor and then to my cleaner before it comes home. If the kim chi doesn't kill something at the tailor's, the dry cleaning definitely will.
     
  2. Don Carlos

    Don Carlos Senior member

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    Secondhand (eBay, etc.) is definitely how the little buggers got into my closet. Have learned a vrry expensive lesson on always dry cleaning newly acquired vintage pieces, regardless of whether the seller claims to have done so.
     
  3. F. Corbera

    F. Corbera Senior member

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    cbird asks about using a steamer to kill the larvae. Yes, heat will kill the larvae but by then it's probably too late. Killing the larvae with steam is the equivalent of closing the barn door after the horse has bolted. Remove the source of nutrition in the first place and you won't have to worry about killing the larvae afterwards.

    Can you describe what process you follow for clothing sent to you through your mail in program and how you differ from what most consider standard for dry cleaning?

    For example, what happens when someone mails in a suit?

    I think that the some of the reluctance about cleaning tailored clothing among some who have nice stuff has to do with the almost global disappearence of proper pressing. For my best stuff, I send it back to my tailor in England to be cleaned there and re-pressed.

    It's not that men think about this disappearence, per se, but that many have gotten good suits or jackets back from typical cleaners that have been destroyed or compromised by automated handling. What do you think?

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  4. stubloom

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    F. Corbera: Thank you for you inquiry. In the interests of brevity, I believe it's best to respond to each of your questions by linking to the appropriate information. So here goes.... THE PROCESS OF SHIPPING TO RAVE FABRICARE It's as easy as packing your garments in a box, enclosing 2 forms and heading to your nearest FedEx, UPS or USPO facility. Our Nationwide Clean By Mail Service http://ravefabricare.com/convenience...l-service.aspx HOW RAVE FABRICARE DIFFERS FROM ORDINARY CLEANERS Wow, I could write a book! The most important thing to understand is that our philosophical approach to garment care is so very different. We're garment care craftsmen; we're not a cleaning/pressing/bagging production line/factory (even though we operate a 7,500 sq ft, state-of-the-art facility). We take one week to turnaround our garments; there's no same day or next day service or three day pickup/delivery service. We don't take short cuts and we don't compromise; if we can't take the time to do it right, we won't do it. It's the difference between Attolini and Abercrombie, the difference between Kabbaz and Kohls. Stu Bloom on Professional Garment Care http://askandyaboutclothes.com/Tutor...rmentCare.html Stu Bloom on Caring for Bespoke Garments http://askandyaboutclothes.com/Tutor...ngBespoke.html Maintenance: Clothing Cleaners http://asuitablewardrobe.dynend.com/...-cleaners.html Maintenance: A Modern Sponge and Press http://asuitablewardrobe.dynend.com/...and-press.html Maintenance: The Voice of Experience http://asuitablewardrobe.dynend.com/...xperience.html Your Dry Cleaning Bill of Rights http://ravefabricare.com/true-qualit...of-rights.aspx Your Shirt Laundry Bill of Rights http://ravefabricare.com/true-qualit...of-rights.aspx THE DISAPPEARANCE OF PROPER PRESSING In most cases, bad cleaning can be fixed (with effort and skill). But bad pressing can destroy a fine garment on it's very first pressing. When we talk about bad pressing we're typically talking about machine pressing: way too much steam, for way too long, at way too high a temperature, at way too high a pressure. Typically by a "presser" who has no technical skill/technique and no knowledge of the construction of the garment or it's drape. Most pressers with many years of experience have zero pressing skill/technique. They handle steam the way a child handles paint. Technique ALWAYS trumps experience. The overwhelming majority of the garments we care for are bespoke, made to measure, high fashion, specialty and couture garments. Accordingly, everything we do -- our in-house skills, processes, procedures, equipment, etc -- is dictated by the type of garments we care for. We couldn't operate like an ordinary "bang and hang" cleaner. We wouldn't be able to afford the liability insurance! Garment Maintenance http://tuttofattoamano.blogspot.com/...intenance.html Stu Bloom on Garment Maintenance http://tuttofattoamano.blogspot.com/...intenance.html AFFILIATE THREAD ON SF I'm a relative newcomer to SF. I'll have to look into this. Thanks for the heads up. SUMMARY You no longer have to send your bespoke garments across the pond for a sponge and press during the season or for a clean and press at the end of the season or as required. Questions? Email me at stu@ravefabricare.com. I'll be pleased to respond. Thanks for the opportunity to serve you. Best wishes, Stu
     
  5. Fred H.

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    PSA - Check your cashmere-lined gloves. Put on my favorite black pair today to find them TOTALLY moth-trashed. Somfabitch!
     
  6. archetypal_yuppie

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    I wonder to what extent good hand washing of garments is less effective than dry cleaning?

    Obviously not an option for jackets/suits etc, but I've accumulated a decent amount of cashmere that I hand wash with Forever New. I'd rather not entrust it to a dry cleaner (or ship it across the country to Rave) if hand washing is likely to be sufficient.
     
  7. Unsanforized

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    I think this is good advice, but for what it's worth, moths just staged a Tet Offensive on my clothes, and of the two sweaters I lost (couched among many woolens) one of them had been dry cleaned and stored. Now, it was stored among other clothes that weren't dry cleaned, but only it and one other piece were moth-eaten, whereas the other garments had a few casings on them but no holes, or were unaffected.

    So, I guess what I'm pointing out is that the main nutrient they're looking for is wool fiber. Wool fiber can be garnished with condiments of person-debris, sure, and then they'll really go to town, but they'll still eat your stuff even if it's clean.
     
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  8. GucciKid

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    Take this for what it's worth, as I've no idea if what I do works or it's just a coincidence, but I don't dry clean anything when I store it for the season, and I haven't had a problem with moths thus far, despite the fact that I see them in my building quite frequently. I just take my jackets/trousers out and give them a bit of a brush/move them around about once a month while they're in storage, and so far I've had no problems. Do the same thing with sweaters/scarves, which are in a cedar dresser - take them out every once and a whilte, shake them around a bit, then put them back in the drawer.
     
  9. Unsanforized

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    I think the key to your success is you are periodically exposing your clothes. In my experience, the moths thrive in dark, cozy, inert environments. You're messing it up for them. I don't think it's a coincidence, though obviously you aren't guaranteed to be free of them forever.

    My latest problem arises from stupidly neglecting some of my drawers.
     
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  10. michaeljacarino

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    Dried mint leaves are a good moth repellent - get a few sachets, put the leaves in, and hang in the closet. I don't find that the smell lingers on the clothes.
     
  11. archetypal_yuppie

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    I think physical barriers are prob the most robust method. But that's also a pain in the butt, since keeping sweaters in bags is annoying and achieving airtightness with a closet or chest is difficult. I'd like to get a nice cedar chest so as to not need to use sweater bags, but don't have space for one.
     
  12. Isachenko

    Isachenko Senior member

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    I think I've come up with a brilliant idea. We need a user-friendly breathable physical barrier to keep moths out. What better than a cotton pillow case with a zipper?

    Sounds like a good insurance plan, the only problem/hassle I see with this is not knowing which knit is in a given pillow case without a labeling system. Don't see why you can't use a permanent marker to write directly on the pillow case.

    Any criticisms on this?
     
  13. BenMurphy

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    sorry to necrobump but i just got fucked. Pants from my two favorite suits destroyed. Wtf. Got a wedding in 2 days and moths devoured my outfit. Heres to better moth prevention for all? Guess im about to buy some garment bags.
     
  14. gululv

    gululv Senior member

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    Ok, I just discovered this disgusting f***ing insects have eaten on my SNS Herning Stark, two Cabourn sweaters +++, I put them in the freezer right away. Any advice what to do next? Will a good tailor be able to fix these holes reasonably well?
     
  15. Angeland

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    I would just check the clothes for moth larvae. They are fairly large, and casemaking clothes moth drag around case with them. Not microscopic by a long shot.

    I would not use pesticides of any kind (mothballs are a pesticide that is "applied" by allowing the solid chemical to sublimate into a vapor, but it is no different than spraying a poison). Pets, children, your skin. Don't use pesticides.

    I would be philosophical about it. If you live in the Southeast, these things live with you. Don't ask yourself how they got in. If the cockroaches and the anole lizards got in then these moths will, too. If you live in the Mountain West you probably aren't reading this thread.

    I would not use a pheromone trap any more than I would use a roach bait. If I put one of those up in my house here on the Gulf Coast I would have a line around the block. I have no trouble getting these things into my home, and I certainly wouldn't do anything to attract more.

    I would just check the clothes for moth larvae, and I would be philosophical. If you haven't put the suit on in two years, it probably wouldn't have fit anyway. If you wear the suit every day, you probably would notice a worm upwards of a centimeter long reposing itself on your sleeve, especially if it were hauling a case the size of a pumpkin seed.

    I would just continue to check the clothes for moth larvae, and I would continue to be philosophical. The larvae eat for months and years before they take wing. If you haven't worn the thing in so long, you probably won't miss it.

    I would not store my clothes in an airtight container because I don't have room and the humidity will mildew them.

    I would put my suits and jackets in those nice cloth bags you get when you buy your nice things. The moth flies--on silent wings, indeed--but it flies. It lands. It lays its eggs. It is not attracted to the smushed Junior Mint on the elbow of your jacket. The roaches will eat that, fiber and all, so do get it cleaned, but the moth doesn't care about it. It is attracted to hair. It likes bird's nests. It likes those mounds of dust and spider web under the sofa. The moth won't eat it because it takes wing briefly to mate, lay eggs, and die. It has a good eye for hair. It evolved that way. It will find it. It likes a wool jacket, yes. But it isn't clever. It isn't going to surmise that the nicest wool is inside the cloth bag and wait for its opportunity to pounce. It will go for the dust bunnies first. It will go for the stack of sweaters just sitting there unmoved.

    I would erect a spacious closet of cedar wood because that would mean I had the space, the money, and the peace of mind that comes with the scent of cut cedar wood. That would please me. The moths don't care a hoot about cedar wood, however. If you carefully store clean woolens in a cedar chest, the likelihood is that you take care of your things and pack them away in a good, breathable container after cleaning them well, and for this reason the moths went for the dust bunnies and the spider webs instead. That's how cedar works it is an effect and not a cause of prevention.

    I would store my winter suits in jackets right there in my closet, where the moths do come, confident that my cloth suit bags will deter most of them, confident that I will wear the suit within a few months and probably catch any damage, and confident that if I don't wear the suit for a year or two, then I can probably do without it. I might even turn the air conditioner up on a sultry August night and put on my heaviest flannel suit and read Ivanhoe or something by the fireplace and pretend its cold out, just to give the suit some time off the hanger and to see how it's doing.

    I would stave off those control freak attacks to which all men are susceptible--I would not go to war against the moths or develop a defense in depth. Ineffectual. I would not ask myself what I did wrong or if I brought something Unclean into my home. I would use the bags that come with your suits, I would take them out every now and again and see how they are doing and maybe even put them on just because.

    I vacuum up casemaking moth larvae from the floorboards of my home all the long summer, and I have never found a moth hole in anything I care about.
     

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