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Most UNDERRATED movie/actor

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by Tokyo Slim, Oct 15, 2006.

  1. rdawson808

    rdawson808 Senior member

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    How about women? I've seen Kate Winslett mentioned but that is it.

    I'd add BeBe Neuwirth (Tony for Chicago, many brilliant years as Lilith on Cheers and Frasier). Not sure if I spelled any of those names right.

    Lately it seems that Helena Bonham Carter has been forgotten. I think she's excellent.

    Finally how about...almost any actress over the age of 40 that doesn't look like the Desperate Housewifes crew?

    bob
     
  2. gamelan

    gamelan Senior member

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    How about women? I've seen Kate Winslett mentioned but that is it.

    I'd add BeBe Neuwirth (Tony for Chicago, many brilliant years as Lilith on Cheers and Frasier). Not sure if I spelled any of those names right.

    Lately it seems that Helena Bonham Carter has been forgotten. I think she's excellent.

    Finally how about...almost any actress over the age of 40 that doesn't look like the Desperate Housewifes crew?

    bob


    second Winslett and Neuwirth. haven't seen too many movies with Carter. in a similar vein, Emma Thompson. also love Joan Cusack.

    -Jeff
     
  3. Violinist

    Violinist Senior member

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    Arts? Culture? Vital? Newsflash: James Bond movies are water cooler material... [​IMG]

    I'm quite aware, but anyone who ignores popular forms of culture is quite ignorant. Also, James Bond is usually the topic of a bit more conversation than other films in this genre, obviously because it has hit a cultural nerve. That's why I like to get to the bottom of this whole Connery obsession. Get to the bottom of that, and you begin to understand what makes the average movie going mind tick, and it can make you understand your own biases and notions.

    I used to think in narrow terms such as yourself, then I took a course in university about pop music. It's amazing how much scholarly work has been done in analyzing why certain things got big.
     
  4. benecios

    benecios Senior member

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    A few more:
    John Turturro
    Ewan McGregor
    Paul Giamatti(maybe not so underated after Sideways)
     
  5. Violinist

    Violinist Senior member

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    A few more:
    John Turturro
    Ewan McGregor
    Paul Giamatti(maybe not so underated after Sideways)


    Good call on Giamatti. Somehow all I can think of though is him doing Cinderella Man, and nothing else.
     
  6. Get Smart

    Get Smart Senior member

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    Good call on Giamatti. Somehow all I can think of though is him doing Cinderella Man, and nothing else.

    I can only think of him as Pig Virus in the Howard Stern movie!
     
  7. romafan

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    I'm quite aware, but anyone who ignores popular forms of culture is quite ignorant. Also, James Bond is usually the topic of a bit more conversation than other films in this genre, obviously because it has hit a cultural nerve. That's why I like to get to the bottom of this whole Connery obsession. Get to the bottom of that, and you begin to understand what makes the average movie going mind tick, and it can make you understand your own biases and notions.

    I used to think in narrow terms such as yourself, then I took a course in university about pop music. It's amazing how much scholarly work has been done in analyzing why certain things got big.


    The average movie going mind? Now who's thinking in narrow terms?! [​IMG]
     
  8. Violinist

    Violinist Senior member

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    The average movie going mind? Now who's thinking in narrow terms?! [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
  9. Lamo

    Lamo Senior member

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    The average movie going mind? Now who's thinking in narrow terms?! [​IMG]

    i think you misunderstood what he was saying...
     
  10. lawyerdad

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    Wallace Shawn is a genius. He did the translation for the recent revival of Threepenny Opera. Which, by the way, starred the also underrated Alan Cumming.


    There was a fascinating NYTimes article about Shaun and his brother, a composer, a few months (years?) back. They wrote recently an opera together I believe.

    bob

    +1 on wallace shawn
     
  11. lawyerdad

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    I think fleshing out why Connery is automatically "the best Bond" can be meaningful in determining what people's priorities are in terms of film going. It might sound ludicrous to you, but seeing as the arts and some culture is a major part of my life, these are vital discussions whereas it might be more water cooler type material for you.
    Well, I think you've hit the nail on the head. I don't know what "some culture" means, but visual arts, music, dance, and to a lesser extent film are all things I devote time and serious thought to. "Who's a better Bond" is not.
     
  12. lawyerdad

    lawyerdad Senior member

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    I'm quite aware, but anyone who ignores popular forms of culture is quite ignorant. Also, James Bond is usually the topic of a bit more conversation than other films in this genre, obviously because it has hit a cultural nerve. That's why I like to get to the bottom of this whole Connery obsession. Get to the bottom of that, and you begin to understand what makes the average movie going mind tick, and it can make you understand your own biases and notions.

    I used to think in narrow terms such as yourself, then I took a course in university about pop music. It's amazing how much scholarly work has been done in analyzing why certain things got big.

    Oooh, a university course! Damn, I wish I had one of those to fall back on!
    [​IMG]
     
  13. lawyerdad

    lawyerdad Senior member

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    I think fleshing out why Connery is automatically "the best Bond" can be meaningful in determining what people's priorities are in terms of film going. It might sound ludicrous to you, but seeing as the arts and some culture is a major part of my life, these are vital discussions whereas it might be more water cooler type material for you.
    Well, I think you've hit the nail on the head. I don't know what "some culture" means, but visual arts, music, literature, dance, and to a lesser extent film are all things I devote time and serious thought to. "Who's a better Bond" is not.
     
  14. Lamo

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    i may be wrong, of course, but i don't think violinist was trying to differentiate between himself and the 'average' mind. average meaning people in general, like me...

     
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    The 2nd Thomas Crown Affair takes as much heat as accolades, but I love that movie.

    Monica Bellucci for not being more mainstream and popular. She's at Anglie Jolie level and higher in Sex Appeal and she can act. She also dresses extremely classy, and has a body all men dream about, well, except gays of course[​IMG]
     
  16. Violinist

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    Well, I think you've hit the nail on the head. I don't know what "some culture" means, but visual arts, music, literature, dance, and to a lesser extent film are all things I devote time and serious thought to. "Who's a better Bond" is not.

    I'd love to hear your musings on music. If your gems in this discussion are any indication, you must be quite the Kenny G and Boccelli fan.

    I'm astounded that someone who apparently made it through law school cannot get the fact that I could be interested in finding out why something liek the Bond series has been such a phenomenon, and that people actually devote discussion to it. The same situation doesn't exist for things like Die Hard, but I suppose the sociology of film isn't interesting to people like you.
     
  17. Get Smart

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    The 2nd Thomas Crown Affair takes as much heat as accolades, but I love that movie.

    on that note, while I am a huge 60s era Michael Caine fan, I actually prefer the remake of Alfie with Jude Law. at the risk of sounding like a GQforumite, I loved his wardrobe and the way his character put clothes together, along with the bit-too-small tight fits. And he rode on a 60s vespa.....it's like the Alfie character was a mod without the film ever referencing such a fact. It's the role that Jude Law was born to play. So much so that when people mention JLaw as a "sartorial influence", many times it's a reference to his Alfie character, not actual Jude Law, the real person.
     
  18. skalogre

    skalogre Senior member

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    The 2nd Thomas Crown Affair takes as much heat as accolades, but I love that movie.

    Monica Bellucci for not being more mainstream and popular. She's at Anglie Jolie level and higher in Sex Appeal and she can act. She also dresses extremely classy, and has a body all men dream about, well, except gays of course[​IMG]


    +1
     
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    Freud attempted to pyschoanalyze Woodrow Wilson but failed rather badly.

    The analysis of the popular culture can be traced back to the Warhol set, and the French Theory that was then pre-dominant.
     
  20. Nick M

    Nick M Senior member

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    Brendan Fraser.

    That's right, Brendan Fraser.
     

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