Most UNDERRATED movie/actor

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  1. JBZ

    JBZ Senior member

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    RIP? He's still alive

    Ah, you're right. I was thinking of J.T. Walsh when I wrote RIP (another good character actor).
     


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    Quirk Senior member

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    How the heck is Robert Downey, Jr underrated? Every single article ever written about him describes him as "one of the finest actors of his generation".

    I've always really liked David Strathairn -- you don't get to see him enough.

    I find the Dennis Haybert love quite amusing. That guy, to me, is a big lump of monotone nothing.
     


  3. lawyerdad

    lawyerdad Senior member

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    Tombstone, of course
    Payback, Mel Gibson's finest, funniest movie.
    Adventures of Baron Munchausen

    More later, I'm sure....

    I loved Munchausen. It's classic Gilliam - flawed but brilliant and visually stunning.
     


  4. GQgeek

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    I find it incredible how people all have to immediately pipe up that Connery is the best Bond without any discussion, then everyone all nods their heads, and some idiot does their best Connery impression then everyone says "YA MAN THAT WAS AWESOME!!!!". It's like when there's a room full of guys and suddenly a naked man comes on screen... everyone has to declare how gay and gross it is for fear that someone might think they're a homosexual. The minute someone mentions Bond everyone immediately establishes themselves as the foremost expert and fan of Sean Connery.

    The Bond series may perhaps be one of the only types of films that approached action from an almost "classy" perspective. To me, the man who best portrayed Bond but was stuck in terrible films was Brosnan. I think the way he spoke, moved and looked embodies everything that is James Bond. It's just too bad that producers chose to make them total American style action flicks, forgoing the simplicity of past films, even as far back as Dr. No.

    I just don't see the affinity with Connery, who is quite a character but I cannot grasp why every Bond fanboy will fallate him the very second the conversation goes to James Bond.


    I'll agree with you here. Brosnan was an absolutely great bond stuck in crappy movies. I think people have trouble separating the actor from the movies.
     


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    I find that 99% of people who think Denzel is a great actor, on par with the very best go see every Blockbuster when it comes out, and their favourite movies usually have at least 20 explosions in them before the half way mark.

    Maybe he's a great actor stuck in terrible films. He always does the same thing. I don't think he really has any range as an actor. He's usually just the cool, collected guy who when needed can deliver this outburst of self confidence and black guy speak which makes balding 40 year old men with office jobs say "wow that was sweet". In that bodyguard movie he was out acted by a toddler.


    You obviously haven't seen Ricochet [​IMG]
     


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    I'll agree with you here. Brosnan was an absolutely great bond stuck in crappy movies. I think people have trouble separating the actor from the movies.
    Or maybe they just happen to have different tastes from yours? I've never understood the need to insist that someone who has different tastes from oneself must do so because of some inherent "defect" or "limitation" - especially with something as utterly silly as "who is the best James Bond". [​IMG]
     


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    You're kidding me. Lazenby was stiff as a board.

    Olivier he ain't. But your reaction to Lazenby is pretty much mine to Dalton. I never believed for a second he could be James Bond. Everyone talks about how he's the closest to Fleming's Bond, but he wasn't playing Fleming's Bond. His films were still in the mold of the Connery Bond, and I just couldn't accept him as that character. He was good at the gritty, but seemed uncomfortable with the girls, quips and gadgets.

    Had he gotten to star in a faithful adaption of "Casino Royale," maybe I'd feel differently. Hopefully, Daniel Craig will deliver the goods.
     


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    I find that 99% of people who think Denzel is a great actor, on par with the very best go see every Blockbuster when it comes out, and their favourite movies usually have at least 20 explosions in them before the half way mark.

    Maybe he's a great actor stuck in terrible films. He always does the same thing. I don't think he really has any range as an actor. He's usually just the cool, collected guy who when needed can deliver this outburst of self confidence and black guy speak which makes balding 40 year old men with office jobs say "wow that was sweet". In that bodyguard movie he was out acted by a toddler.



    Self-confident "black guy speak"? Denzel Washington? [​IMG]
     


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    Olivier he ain't.

    Did this morph into the overrated thread?
     


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    On the Brosnan note, The Tailor of Panama, which didn't seem to last very long in theaters, was a great movie, and Brosnan hit it out of the park, playing a secret agent in a very clearly non-Bond manner. That film is definite proof that Brosnan has range as an actor.
     


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    Another underrated film (in the sense that not a lot of people have seen it) - Red Rock West.

    I also really liked William Friedken's Sorcerer (a remake of Wages of Fear).
     


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    On the Brosnan note, The Tailor of Panama, which didn't seem to last very long in theaters, was a great movie, and Brosnan hit it out of the park, playing a secret agent in a very clearly non-Bond manner. That film is definite proof that Brosnan has range as an actor.

    I liked him in "˜The Thomas Crown Affair', and thought he was completely un-bond like in the movie, but above that, very un-Steve-McQueen-like (is that even proper English?), which was even more important.

    Jon.
     


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    Brosnan was great in The Matador, which is a movie that exceeded my expectations.
     


  14. GQgeek

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    Or maybe they just happen to have different tastes from yours? I've never understood the need to insist that someone who has different tastes from oneself must do so because of some inherent "defect" or "limitation" - especially with something as utterly silly as "who is the best James Bond". [​IMG]

    You're quoting the wrong person :p
     


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    Or maybe they just happen to have different tastes from yours? I've never understood the need to insist that someone who has different tastes from oneself must do so because of some inherent "defect" or "limitation" - especially with something as utterly silly as "who is the best James Bond". [​IMG]


    That's where you're missing the point. Whenever people start talking about film there's the inevitable discussion about who is the best Bond. It's not as if James Bond is the pinnacle of cinema (as if I know what that is), I just detest the sheep mentality when it comes to this genre of discussion.
     


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