Morning coat after 6pm for formal wear?

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  1. dressed2kill

    dressed2kill Senior member

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    Since you are into hats, perhaps you should see about acquiring a proper silk topper as they are not made anymore and should likely be a good investment, as well as a prize of your collection.

    Consider using a detachable collar for your white tie ensemble.


    I like the way you think!
     


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    Film Noir Buff Senior member

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    Dinner Jacket.

    And I would not consider midnight tails as proper.


    Interesting if only Becasue the Duke Of Windsor wore midnight blue barathea tails. I would get them in midnight blue. Midnight blue is acceptable in many of the most formal organizations that i know of requiring formal attire for their events.

    Why would you say they are improper?
     


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    Midnight blue would be fine by me for formal situations except those that take place outdoors under direct sunlight. Under most artificial lighting, midnight blue looks more or less black; under bright sunlight, it looks blue.

    As for the cut, go for the tailcoat for prom. This is extremely formal. And yeah, avoid the beaver hat with this combo (though I applaud you for having one!). Get a silk topper if you must wear a hat, and choose your other accessories very carefully...too much is just that: too much.
     


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    I would never carry a cane and white gloves, I was joking. I try to never let the persona overshadow who I am. The beaver top hat looks silky because of its silk plush. Don't worry I'm not going to have detachable collars with a cane and all the over the top nonsense.
     


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    I would not consider a detachable collar over the top. Gloves and cane, maybe.
     


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    whoopee Senior member

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    Some events demand white-tie because they intend for a costumey ambience. Very different from donning a throw-back style outfit for more prosaic times.
     


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    There was a guy wearing a morning suit at my prom. I decided not to say anything.
     


  8. GBR

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    I already have with the tails. I spent a fortune on my 19th century black beaver, silk plush, bell crown top hat. I wore the same thing last year and it was a huge hit. I took the hat off dancing because it got a little freaky. Then George Clinton and Parliment-Funkidelics came on. Man you should of seen my robot and westcoast poplock. I should of been on Soul Train with Don Cornelius


    Surely you took it off when you entreed the building and asked the Conciereg to put it in a place of safety not simply for dancing?
     


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    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    Except in some rarified circles (I was thinking of certain diplomatic and academic circles. For example, at Oxford, a dinner jacket is mandatory at high table and various other events) formal and semi-formal dress is worn as costume. That someone would look "Costumey" is to be expected. Nevertheless, morning coats are, traditionally, for day time use only.

    Oh, and gentlemen remove their hats indoors. I am wearing a military cap right now, indoors; but I do not consider myself that type of gentleman.
     


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    The 1930s had a short love affair with midnight tails, and that was the Fred Astaire era.

    I've come across a few sets of midnight tails from the 50s and even own one myself.
     


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    Interesting if only Becasue the Duke Of Windsor wore midnight blue barathea tails. I would get them in midnight blue.
    Yes, I am aware that he introduced the style and I know the general justification given (midnight blue "blacker than black" under artificial light).

    I don't claim to be a specialist. My first point would be that I cannot recollect ever seeing midnight tails in person or in photo, except a photo of the Duke's wardrobe, so I guess they would seem odd to me.

    Also, with the midnight DJ's I have seen I could still make out the blue overtones under most lights. Maybe modern artificial light is different than it was in the 30's ? Anyway I could accept that with a semi-formal attire like DJ but that would strike me as improper with a completely formal attire. Anything that could mar the simple black&white elegance of the suit I would steer away from.
     


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    Etienne Senior member

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    I've come across a few sets of midnight tails from the 50s and even own one myself.
    Interesting. What do you think of that "blacker than black" effect then. Is it real under modern lights?
     


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    Interesting. What do you think of that "blacker than black" effect then. Is it real under modern lights?

    Not in my experience. I also own a fair number of midnight blue DJs, and I can always spot them as blue under artificial light.
     


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    Why would one wear morning dress to go to an evening function unless one were a jobbing actor having to travel to the theatre when one was performing and the part called for such a costume or esle a fancy dress ball?

    Whilst informality has seen off many customs it has not yet substituted 'wrong time' dressing if this ilk.
     


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    Not in my experience. I also own a fair number of midnight blue DJs, and I can always spot them as blue under artificial light.

    This is interesting; I wonder if means that the color temperature of incandescent lamps has changed over time?

    My understading was that black could appear greenish and that was why midnight blue was prefered---blue would not reflect the shorter wavelengths that are prominent in incandescent light (particularly yellows). Now, given the longer wavelengths (greens and blues) predominant in fluorescent lighting, perhaps we should wear midnight burgandy.
     


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