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Morning coat after 6pm for formal wear?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by dressed2kill, May 24, 2006.

  1. whoopee

    whoopee Senior member

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    Some events demand white-tie because they intend for a costumey ambience. Very different from donning a throw-back style outfit for more prosaic times.
     
  2. Jovan

    Jovan Senior member

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    There was a guy wearing a morning suit at my prom. I decided not to say anything.
     
  3. GBR

    GBR Senior member

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    I already have with the tails. I spent a fortune on my 19th century black beaver, silk plush, bell crown top hat. I wore the same thing last year and it was a huge hit. I took the hat off dancing because it got a little freaky. Then George Clinton and Parliment-Funkidelics came on. Man you should of seen my robot and westcoast poplock. I should of been on Soul Train with Don Cornelius


    Surely you took it off when you entreed the building and asked the Conciereg to put it in a place of safety not simply for dancing?
     
  4. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    Except in some rarified circles (I was thinking of certain diplomatic and academic circles. For example, at Oxford, a dinner jacket is mandatory at high table and various other events) formal and semi-formal dress is worn as costume. That someone would look "Costumey" is to be expected. Nevertheless, morning coats are, traditionally, for day time use only.

    Oh, and gentlemen remove their hats indoors. I am wearing a military cap right now, indoors; but I do not consider myself that type of gentleman.
     
  5. Vintage Gent

    Vintage Gent Senior member

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    The 1930s had a short love affair with midnight tails, and that was the Fred Astaire era.

    I've come across a few sets of midnight tails from the 50s and even own one myself.
     
  6. Etienne

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    Interesting if only Becasue the Duke Of Windsor wore midnight blue barathea tails. I would get them in midnight blue.
    Yes, I am aware that he introduced the style and I know the general justification given (midnight blue "blacker than black" under artificial light).

    I don't claim to be a specialist. My first point would be that I cannot recollect ever seeing midnight tails in person or in photo, except a photo of the Duke's wardrobe, so I guess they would seem odd to me.

    Also, with the midnight DJ's I have seen I could still make out the blue overtones under most lights. Maybe modern artificial light is different than it was in the 30's ? Anyway I could accept that with a semi-formal attire like DJ but that would strike me as improper with a completely formal attire. Anything that could mar the simple black&white elegance of the suit I would steer away from.
     
  7. Etienne

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    I've come across a few sets of midnight tails from the 50s and even own one myself.
    Interesting. What do you think of that "blacker than black" effect then. Is it real under modern lights?
     
  8. Vintage Gent

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    Interesting. What do you think of that "blacker than black" effect then. Is it real under modern lights?

    Not in my experience. I also own a fair number of midnight blue DJs, and I can always spot them as blue under artificial light.
     
  9. GBR

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    Why would one wear morning dress to go to an evening function unless one were a jobbing actor having to travel to the theatre when one was performing and the part called for such a costume or esle a fancy dress ball?

    Whilst informality has seen off many customs it has not yet substituted 'wrong time' dressing if this ilk.
     
  10. summej2

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    Not in my experience. I also own a fair number of midnight blue DJs, and I can always spot them as blue under artificial light.

    This is interesting; I wonder if means that the color temperature of incandescent lamps has changed over time?

    My understading was that black could appear greenish and that was why midnight blue was prefered---blue would not reflect the shorter wavelengths that are prominent in incandescent light (particularly yellows). Now, given the longer wavelengths (greens and blues) predominant in fluorescent lighting, perhaps we should wear midnight burgandy.
     
  11. Joseph Casazza

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    You should definitely wear white gloves with white tie, at least while dancing. One does not want to soil one's partner's dress, nor inadvertently press flesh to flesh! You can take the gloves off for eating.
     
  12. A Y

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    There are probably different shades and formulations of midnight blue. Mine is blacker than black (it's richer-looking than black which seems to blanch out by comparison) under artificial light, and you can only get a very slight hint of blue in full sunlight. It's a Zegna cloth from the 15 milmil 15 group.

    --Andre
     
  13. Eskie

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    I agree there is variation among "midnight blues", but a truly deep blue would barely be noticeable as not black, even in daylight, unless you were looking for it. I also second white gloves, they really are a requirement. Indoor lighting is now quite varied, with full spectrum incandescents, halogens, and corrected fluorescents. Whatever happened to the dim lighting just to supplement the beauty of candles?
     

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