MoneyWellSpent's Southern Trad Thread

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Caustic Man, Jun 13, 2016.

  1. Testudo_Aubreii

    Testudo_Aubreii Senior member

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    I'm wondering what you southern trad types would say about scarlet ties in smooth shiny silks, like this one: [​IMG] I think such ties could never be CBD, and they'd look off in the Northeastern US, in pretty much any coat-and-tie context. The intensity of the color and the sheen and smoothness of the silk are just too loud to look good in the Northeast or Canada or the UK. So I recommended against them in responding to oldsmobile's post in the Red Ties thread. But how would they play in a Southern Trad setting? The South gets more sun and humidity--does that make shiny smooth ties with intense bright hues more acceptable in Southern Trad?
     


  2. Caustic Man

    Caustic Man Senior member

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    I don't think I've seen any more propensity for shiny ties in the south. Saturated colors do get more play, but pastels are far more common than bright reds unless it is in the context of school colors or the occasional FU trouser. I do not consider that tie to be particularly southern or trad.
     


  3. MoneyWellSpent

    MoneyWellSpent Senior member

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  4. oldsmobile98

    oldsmobile98 Active Member

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    Looking at that one again, it actually is too bright for my taste. This, on the other hand, is about the right shade of red, and is more Southern. A bit darker cherry red (like the Kent Wang in the other thread) would work even better.

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  5. Testudo_Aubreii

    Testudo_Aubreii Senior member

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    Thanks olds, and also for the excellent post in the Red Ties thread. That crimson bow (repp silk?) does somehow look quite Southern Trad. @Caustic Man, that's interesting that you think Southern Trad has no more (and no less?) enthusiasm for sheen in ties than CBD or Northeast Trad. Is there any region or dress subculture of the country that likes sheen in ties more than Southern Trad, CBD, or Northeast Trad? I wonder. Would the Washington DC politician subculture count? It seems like a lot of Washington pols favor bright, saturated satins these days. Even Mitch McConnell, who generally does better and--as Caustic noted--is clearly influenced by Southern Trad, sometimes wears them. [​IMG]
     
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  6. Caustic Man

    Caustic Man Senior member

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    I think it's because politicians try to satisfy the proles. On the rare occasions that a prole does wear a tie it's generally a $10 number from Wal-Mart which just happens to be shiny most of the time.
     


  7. oldsmobile98

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    They all wear the same dark navy suit and white shirt with no square, so maybe they feel the tie has to be bright. This president and the previous two wore satin ties regularly, and the next one will either be someone who wears no ties or someone who wears satin ties almost exclusively.

    The guideline that a matte tie is preferable to a shiny one during the daytime makes sense, but most people haven't heard of it or considered it. My pre-SF ties included some satin stripes that I wouldn't wear now.
     
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    The House tends to dress poorly. Baggy suits from Jos. A. Bank and such. They and their visiting constituents also wear egregious lapel and/or flag pins, sometimes multiples. The Senate has a reputation for dressing a little better. Many do dress to please their constituents as CM pointed out. Presidents have to role play unlike any other politician. Apparently, Mrs. Obama and the girls regularly rip on the President for wearing the same blue suit every day. I think he wears Canali by the way, at least in this photo. As a Chicago guy I hope he has some Oxxford in the rotation.

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  9. Caustic Man

    Caustic Man Senior member

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    IIRC, I think he does wear Oxxford as well.

    I remember when Obama first went into office, all these know-nothings (not the historical political party) were saying he was one of the best dressed presidents ever. Upon inspection it turns out he is just skinny and used to wear slim suits (which were generally ill fitting and badly accessorized). In that, however, he is no different than most presidents since Woodrow Wilson.
     


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    FDR dressed well, patrician that he was. Truman dressed well as he sold clothes for a living early on. JFK probably gets all the attention I guess.Just younger and fitter than the others at the dawn of the TV age. Being rich doesn't hurt either.
     


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    True, but if you wanted to make the effort to improve I think the Prez could probably any freebie he wants from any tailor in America just so he can say he made a suit for the Prez.
     


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    Very true and the one guy that did it died recently. Martin Greenfield also apparently clothed Presidents and cabinet members quite often. Presidents try not to endorse brands when in office.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/23/o...ailor-to-nine-presidents-dies-at-80.html?_r=0
     


  13. Caustic Man

    Caustic Man Senior member

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    Cool article. I never even knew of the guy. Thanks.
     


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    I don't live in the South and never have, though I have spent a lot of time there and have some close friends there (as well as in Texas and Southern California, also mentioned earlier in the thread). I'm also not Trad (Southern or other) but I've enjoyed this thread and am pleased that more men here in NY are wearing color more often. I've always enjoyed wearing colors and remember my younger days where I was the only guy in the office not wearing a blue or white shirt!

    I also liked the earlier comment about how men who don't have to wear a suit / tie each day can be great sources of creativity. I like to think that I fall into this bucket. While it seems logical that a man who must wear a suit each day would have worked different colors and fabrics into his wardrobe, I know 2 guys who wear suits every day and say that it makes dressing easy because they just grab a suit, grab a shirt and grab a tie and shoes and head off to work. Doesn't sound very creative to me.
     


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    Caustic Man Senior member

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    True, it's not very creative to have a closet full of totally interchangeable suits and ties, but creativity isn't necessarily everyone's goal. For me, putting together something new and creative isn't as important as perfecting the details and fit. I certainly appreciate creative dressers though. AAS is one of the best in that regard.

    ETA: I agree on the thing about wearing color in New York. Someone told me that it used to be that if you didn't wear black people would look at you weird. Nice to hear it's changing.
     
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