^they're like a cross between my sam 5000ais & pbj 007s [ie. in terms of fabric concept]__ only much darker & w/o the slubs. they fit slimmer @tts than my 701s. which were su1. these will be my official [not-so, but close to] black jeans i'll try to hold onto the dark sheen as long as i can__ not in a hurry to wear them in.