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Modifying collars - possible?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by gregory, Mar 30, 2004.

  1. gregory

    gregory Senior member

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    Dear All,

    I received my Jantzen shirts today. I am very very happy with the construction and fabric quality. I have a problem, however. The shirts for which I specified Italian collars came with 3.5" collar points (which looks horrible on me) although Jantzen's order form notes that Italian collars have 3 1/8" collar points.

    What do you think I can do? Can I take the shirts to a tailor and ask them to shorten the collar points to 3"?

    May I also ask if it is funny/wrong to have a gauntlet/sleeve slit button for shirts with french cuffs?

    Thanks for your help, gentlemen.

    PS: I plan to post pics later this weekend.
    PS2: I plan to order more shirts from Jantzen today.
     
  2. VMan

    VMan Senior member

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    Gregory, I have seen buttons on the sleeve placket of French cuff shirts before - no big deal. I think you'll be fine, especially if you're wearing a suit (the sleeves will be covered anyway). I don't know if you are able to change collar size. However, is there really a huge difference between 3 1/8" collar and 3.5" collar? I'm glad you are pleased with the construction, that makes me want to order a Jantzen shirt now.
     
  3. gregory

    gregory Senior member

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    Now that I've ordered a couple of collar styles, I firmly believe that a shirt's collar is, by far, the most important feature of a shirt (ugly patterned fabrics aside). I look far better with a 3" collar than with a 3.5" collar, and yes, even small differences in collar point length make a lot of difference. [​IMG]
     
  4. johnnynorman3

    johnnynorman3 Senior member

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    I agree. .375 inches is over 10% of the collar's length. That's a huge difference considering that we usually are looking RIGHT at one's collar. I too have found that the 3 inch collar works best for me. Incidentally, most Ike Behar shirts have 3 inch collars, and they claim to make the best collars in the business.
     
  5. gregory

    gregory Senior member

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    Come on guys... i'm really desperate: What do you think I can do? Can I take the shirts to a tailor and ask them to shorten the collar points to 3"? May I also ask if it is funny/wrong to have a gauntlet/sleeve slit button for shirts with french cuffs? [​IMG]
     
  6. VMan

    VMan Senior member

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    Gregory,

    I already told ya, its fine for French cuff shirts to have the sleeve buttons. I recently sold two double-cuff shirts on ebay (one was Zegna), and both had the buttons on the sleeve gauntlet/placket. Perfectly fine I tell ya.

    I don't know from experience, but I think a skilled tailor would be able to shorten the collar. Now, there would be a fee involved, and I think since a collar requires quite a bit of handiwork, this might be expensive. Now, is it worth making a $20 (estimate) modification to a shirt that only cost $40?

    The best thing to do in this case would be to call your favorite tailor tomorrow morning and ask what he can do.
     
  7. gregory

    gregory Senior member

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    Hi VersaceMan, Thanks for your response. In this case, I actually think it is worth making the modification because it is a brand new shirt that I would, without modification, absolutely not wear it at all (hence a $40 waste) because the long collar points (3.5") just look absolutely hideous. Believe me. [​IMG]
     
  8. VMan

    VMan Senior member

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    Now, is it worth making a $20 (estimate) modification to a shirt that only cost $40?
    Hi VersaceMan, Thanks for your response. In this case, I actually think it is worth making the modification because it is a brand new shirt that I would, without modification, absolutely not wear it at all (hence a $40 waste) because the long collar points (3.5") just look absolutely hideous. Believe me. Â [​IMG]
    Well, if you wouldn't wear the shirt at all, you have a good point. It's a lot better to spend the extra money and get it tailored than to be stuck with a nice shirt that isn't worn. Even at the cost of the shirt + cost of tailoring, I think you still have a good deal. I can't remember how many shirts you said you have purchased, but hopefully it wasn't too many. I guess this is just a little 'tip' that you need to let Ricky know you would like your shirt collars done in the exact length specified.
     
  9. Looking to improve

    Looking to improve Senior member

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    Originally posted by gregory:
    Have you considered contacting Jantzen directly to find out what they might say/do? I realise that returning the shirts in question to Jantzen for 'repairs' may take a while longer than sending them to a local tailor.

    Good luck,

    MtB
     
  10. gregory

    gregory Senior member

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    Hello again [​IMG] I ordered 5 shirts. The shirts are very well made, and I think Ricky did a terrific job. The two shirts for which I asked "Italian full spread" (according to their order form, 3.25") were delivered to me 3.5". Those collars look like the wings of a plane resting on my shoulders.  Still, I like Jantzen very much  [​IMG]
     
  11. Shirtmaven

    Shirtmaven Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    The easiest thing would be to have Jantzen make new collars and send them to you.
    A local tailor can easily pull the old collars off and replace with new ones.

    Some thick or bulky fabrics can make up longer then what is requested.

    If the collars were not fused then a very talented shirtmaker could seperate the band from the leaf, shorten and resew. I would think that Jantzen fuses the collars.

    Sleeve placket button is a personal prefrence. If you are going to use it then have it. I never bother for myself. I roll my sleeves up when i get to work.
     
  12. gregory

    gregory Senior member

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    With regard to the collars, Ricky responded that: "I think that is the hems problem. I don't think your local tailor can fix that." I'm not sure what he meant by "hems problem". Thanks, Shirtmaven, for your excellent suggestion. The collars are fused. I will do exactly as you suggested. Thanks to all who responded as well; I appreciate your advice. [​IMG]
     

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