Mod to Suedehead

[Man-of-Mystery]



Some man, you.. when o get sober I'll address this!

That was posted two-and-a-half hours ago. Middle of the bleedin' night! How long will I have to wait?

 

[cerneabbas]

Weston picture,of course in that top picture it will not be all Bristol lads,lots from towns and villages in Somerset ( Street and Glastonbury and Wells for instance ) as well as locals from Weston...I think that Billy Whizz on here posted about a bank holiday in 1970 when he went to Weston...A hell of a lot of bikers ( greasers ) in central Bristol yesterday,some with back patches,i dont know what was happening ( i am guessing a wedding or a bike show )...

 

[kashmir]

heya folks, found this video, hopefully it does contribute to the thread clothing wise, for myself I've been a big Who fan but by the time I get to know them half of them were dead... this video here for me shows a great deal of their influence and roots [VIDEO][/VIDEO]

 

[Ed Vaughan]



That was posted two-and-a-half hours ago. Middle of the bleedin' night! How long will I have to wait?

It may take some time... off out gain - Liverpool v United on at the pub (home too, but any excuse ;-) ) so I'll give it some thought.

Re: shoes... yeh, the jury appears to be out on these but I still like the look - we'll see.

Ed 2E0CFM (For those in the know.)

 

[harrysgame]



Chelsea supporters with their tickets QPR vs Chelsea, FA Cup 6th Round 21 Feb 1970....Chelsea went on to win the Cup.

I initially thought that was a QPR patch. But then realised its a football program.

 

[yankmod]

Thanks for weighing in on the Checked program.Makes sense.Nice story M.O.M.

 

[Big Muscle]

Could anyone help me with DM sizing? Currently, I have steel-toe DM 1919 in size 11 - they fit when I had bought it but they stretched too much and now I have to wear two socks in them else it's uncomfortable. Now I want to buy new cherry 1490 and I cannot decide what size to choose. I tried size 10 in shop (size 11 was not available). I fit into it, but the seam between the flap and vamp pushed me - just too tight in this area. Length was ok. Does this 1490 size 10 stretch too so it will fit after breaking in, or should I rather wait for size 11 (and hope that 1490 will be smaller than size 11 for steel-toe 1919)?

 

[kicksinstyle]

A mate sent me this review of "Mod-A Very British Style" from the London Review of Books... not very favourable, sounds like another cash-in attempt...

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v35/n16/ian-penman/even-if-you-have-to-starve

 

[Sirryacus]

A mate sent me this review of "Mod-A Very British Style" from the London Review of Books... not very favourable, sounds like another cash-in attempt...

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v35/n16/ian-penman/even-if-you-have-to-starve

an interesting read in any case.

 

[Gsvs5]

Originally Posted by Lasttye

Agree, The Skinheads was the first post War cult that had no interest in anything other than Violence, Football, and Cloths, they was also the first cult that did not have its own music, skinheads had no impact on the rest of society, like the Mods, Punks etc did, they also had no interested in politics. Skinheads came and went in a flash.

You know, this is probably the first time I have ever looked at it this way. We were a culture to ourselves. We didn't look outside. We were a sub-culture, if you like. We took no great influences from outside (apart from a bit of the mod ethos maybe) and we had no great message for anyone on the outside. We were who we were, we did what we wanted to do. I guess you could say we were self-absorbed.
Just going over some older stuff and the mixture of Cabernet induced thoughts needed to be shared......

As a 12 yr old in '69 all anyone wanted to do was "Fit In".Like kids of every generation,no one went out of their way to be the outsider.I was no different,except that I was a couple of steps abreast of the pack due to the influence of elder siblings.I had spent all of my short life to date in the Midlands.Partly in a Potteries Pit town and partly in what I've read described as a" Dormitory" town,going to the school that I have since learned would provide the birth of the Stoke N40 U-5's.(Decades after I left there !) I was oblivious to any Class system.Everyone spoke the same language,lived in similar houses and spoke with the same slang and accents.My only encounter was with anyone outside this world was when 30 or so kids from a "Private" school were ensconced within our classrooms for a few weeks while their school was undergoing restoration.It turned out that they were just as good at football as us,and were nice kids who just happened to have a different uniform and spoke different to us.It was a happy go lucky time.Good laughs,good mates and really wanting for nothing (that was within reach).
My hero's' were Stanley Mathews,Georgie Best,and my Sisters boyfriends who all had Mini's,Lambretta's,bags of confidence and smart clothes.
This was something to aspire to,within reach.
It was one of the happiest periods of my life.Even though I was to face my parents divorce and first experience death.It was to continue on in this vein for the next few years.The pursuit of Football and Fashion went hand in hand.Friendship was territorial and tight.I felt I was living in the center of the world,it revolved around us,and I fit in.
It was many years later after moving South and leaving College that a different reality started to rear it's head.
I was confronted by a class system that had pre determined pretty much of who I was by the first words I spoke.It was a rude awakening and one that took a big part of my life to come to terms with.Those days everyone on the BBC spoke the same.There was no such thing as regional broadcasters with local accents.you were pigeon holed.
Of course it existed in my youth.I was spat at for being a Northern **** by Chelsea outside the Olympic Torch.I stood in the "Wrong" End at Sheffield, surrounded by Cockney bastards when Peter Story sank my Wembley dreams.That never mattered to me though.I had an immense sense of belonging that was unexplained.
I'm obviously not alone.Millions of other kids all over the world are drawn to similar if not the same.I don't ******* understand it myself? Why would anyone want to be anything else ?
Self absorbed little bastards?

 

[Clouseau]

Very interesting post, Mr Gsvs5.
It's true that when you are young you want to belong to a group, like you say to "fit in". And you can really be happy within, and become "self absorbed".
But one day you realize that you fit in a "case" pre-determined by the society, and that it is really difficult to go out of this case, even if you work hard. Like you said, sometimes it is a rude awakening.
The class system expects you (and your group) to stay in your class/case. And the upper classes take advantage of it. And even if we all love soccer and fashion, it's a way to control us. Football is the "opium of the people", and the clothing and fashion industry makes big money on us. I'm not a socialist at all or into politics, but i'm French, and sometimes i revolt. (A tradition here since 1789).

 

[yankmod]

Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery

Originally Posted by Lasttye

Agree, The Skinheads was the first post War cult that had no interest in anything other than Violence, Football, and Cloths, they was also the first cult that did not have its own music, skinheads had no impact on the rest of society, like the Mods, Punks etc did, they also had no interested in politics. Skinheads came and went in a flash.

You know, this is probably the first time I have ever looked at it this way. We were a culture to ourselves. We didn't look outside. We were a sub-culture, if you like. We took no great influences from outside (apart from a bit of the mod ethos maybe) and we had no great message for anyone on the outside. We were who we were, we did what we wanted to do. I guess you could say we were self-absorbed. I've thought about this and agree with the above.At the time when you was 14-17 maybe you didn't have an outward effect on the wider culture but when those skinhead Kids got a little older they did.

 

[cerneabbas]

Gsvs5, I found that post quite thought provoking..Like something you mentioned in a previous post about the Solatio shoes being exciting and fresh at the time..do you think that could be why the Suedehead look died,because people became bored with it ? maybe it was too much of a uniform look and that stopped people from being creative with their image ?...Or is it just that fashions change and that most people are happy to follow them and move on ?......Clouseau...as usual i agree with your post,football replaced religion ( for a lot of people ) as their opium a long time ago.

 

[Gsvs5]

Very interesting post, Mr Gsvs5.
It's true that when you are young you want to belong to a group, like you say to "fit in". And you can really be happy within, and become "self absorbed".
But one day you realize that you fit in a "case" pre-determined by the society, and that it is really difficult to go out of this case, even if you work hard. Like you said, sometimes it is a rude awakening.
The class system expects you (and your group) to stay in your class/case. And the upper classes take advantage of it. And even if we all love soccer and fashion, it's a way to control us. Football is the "opium of the people", and the clothing and fashion industry makes big money on us. I'm not a socialist at all or into politics, but i'm French, and sometimes i revolt. (A tradition here since 1789).

I have no strong political leanings and don't wish to divert but just remembered something.Our Local Students marched through our town in protest to the Vietnam War.A bunch of us tagged along,chanting US Imperialism Out !We had no idea what that meant.We were just a mischievous skinhead kids jumping on the back of a flat bed truck.It was my first and last protest ,with the exception of chanting Waddington Out! outside the Directors Offices at Stoke.
Years later I felt a little angry at how few people failed to protest wars we have got involved in.We sit back and accept our politicians decisions at face value,exercising little of our freedom of speech.I admire the French Youth for that.It seems that the students in London,the Miners in Nottingham and the Wall St anti capitalists were more angry about thier causes than us going into War ?

 

[Gsvs5]

Gsvs5, I found that post quite thought provoking..Like something you mentioned in a previous post about the Solatio shoes being exciting and fresh at the time..do you think that could be why the Suedehead look died,because people became bored with it ? maybe it was too much of a uniform look and that stopped people from being creative with their image ?...Or is it just that fashions change and that most people are happy to follow them and move on ?......Clouseau...as usual i agree with your post,football replaced religion ( for a lot of people ) as their opium a long time ago.

I'm not sure? I never had kids,and I wonder if they have the same excitement about clothes today? Suedehead seems to have been a natural progression at the time as many of us never ever had the severe crop anyway.Kids were a few years older,probably dating girls and wanting a less severe look when it came time to meet the future in-laws,and didn't need the hassle of being refused entry to places.Although it was short lived,all of us "Followed" fashion.It's a rare few who start it.We always needed something new,even if it was only a different fabric.remember how exciting Tonik was? At the end of the Sixties we were all English.We then wanted to look French,draping out jumpers over our shoulders.Next it would be Italian...and so on it goes