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Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Spirit of 69, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. The Saint

    The Saint Senior member

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    Sounds like a wee discussion about Elland Rd , aye?
     
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    A bit further west, Saint, on the "right" side of the Pennines ;) - Maine Road, Manchester. (Kippax is in Yorkshire but Kippax Street - and the terrace with the same name that I mentioned - was firmly in Manchester.
     
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    Ah , City . .

    The team I support have some of your players. .[​IMG]
     
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    The MA-1 has been discussed in this forum ad nauseum, and it was determined that while not widespread, they were worn by some originals in some parts of the country.
    A real-deal MA-1 with the wool pile lining in the original sage green is a thing of beauty and is a far cry from the '82 glue-huffer uniform of amorphous shape and dodgy coloring. :D

    Having said all that, the Brutus/Edwin/Alpha link in question is, well... questionable...
     
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  5. The Saint

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    Indeed mate . Never saw one back in the day , that I can recall , I reckon I first saw one around 1979. .
    Personally I have one that was made in 1962 by the Skyline company . It has the woodpile that you mention and subsequently is very warm. It also had a military badge holder on it when I got it , which was subsequently removed. .

    I'm aware of the cheap copies you mention most of them are a travesty of the original in stupid colours almost as bad as some of the knock off m51's that one sees . TBF though even items that have seen continuous manufacture since the original period , are nowhere near the quality they were. .:angry:
     
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    Supposed 1970. No idea of copyright.
     
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    The MA1 became popular from about 78 in London as a Soul Boy thing ( the great gear market down the kings rd started selling them ) . It spread to the Football lot and was seen as a ' london football lad thing ' , you would see hundreds of pre casual ' cockneys ' marching through Northern towns in em . The Boneheads hijacked it off the football lot and went from cool Americana to Gloo sniffers wear in a few short years .
     
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    I think that this comment and those of Browniecj are very accurate. As a 14 year old I aspired to be a skinhead, I knew the term and looked up to those older lads with that style. Later, I just evolved into what others recognised as a suedehead and don't think I ever said, "I am a suedehead", though I have no doubt that others, aspiring to that look would. (It was never necessary to say, "I am a skinhead", it was self evident). The term suedehead was never that widely used, in any case. It was quite common for a gang to be known as 'Crossley Skins' , or wherever they were from, but I never heard of a gang called "Anytown Suedeheads", if you know what I mean. Similarly, the word was not used in any graffiti I saw.The term was in use for a period of less than twelve months, the Suedehead 'style' (at least as I recognise it) was seen for about half that.

    In terms of labels, this forum has demonstrated in the last week or so that they can have slightly different meanings, even to us. I think a lot of us have a pretty fixed Idea of what we mean by 'Mod', but if we consider 'Mod' to have existed from 1963 until 1967 and recognise that it was a constantly and rapidly changing look then our view would be a very narrow one and one not necessarily shared by those who actually were mods in, say 1964 or 1966. I see some photos and video clips (the early Who performance in a pub, for instance,) in which quite a number featured don't fit my idea of Mod at all - some have quiffs! My sister is 7 years older than me and therefore was 16 in 1964. I asked her recently if she had been a mod and she enthusiastically said, "Oh yes, how I wanted..." she then started to list several items of clothing, including knee boots and other stuff that she'd had to save up and buy. Not the sort of clothes I was expecting at all. I recall her in ski pants and a suede jacket and that's how I remember her as a mod. When I told her this, she said, "Fancy you remembering that, I had forgotten I wore those." I have read on a couple of occasions that the original mods never referred to themselves as mods and most distanced themselves or 'moved on' when the term became widely used following the sea side disturbances in early 1964.
     
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    Quote:Good stuff roytonboy! Since this thread was renamed I have often wondered why we haven't spent more time discussing the mod part of the equation. You may recall my mentioning Gill and Del Evans, original Birmingham Mods and, for ease of reference I am again putting up a link to their great piece on Jack That Cat Was Clean: http://jackthatcatwasclean.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/memories-photos-of-birmingham-mods-del.html You will see that even in Birmingham (no disrespect to those of you north of Potters Bar!) the journey started in about 1960. Just above that piece is a familiar one about Marc Bolan (Feld) and chums even earlier in time...
     
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    Quote:: http://jackthatcatwasclean.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/memories-photos-of-birmingham-mods-del.html I know when I saw the above Photo of Mods sitting astride Motorbikes(a few years ago now),I was relieved to see it.To the Press etc.,Mods/Skinheads were always pictured ridiing Scooters and it was said that was their only mode of transport.I had a Triumph Motorbike(the only one in our crowd) and I believed I was the only one-until "Bronco Bullfrog" came out. What I am trying to say is,there were a lot of differences within the framework of Mod.Roytonboy speaks of his Sister and the Clothes She wore.If you look at a lot of the early Photos(and watch RSG),you will see a whole range of clothing being worn-that is not readily classed as Mod.In fact,in the very early years,Girls who followed the Modernists wore Stilettoes and pointed toed shoes.It was not until `63/`64 there was a real movement towards different looking Shoes etc.
     
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    Yep
     
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    Thanks con man - yes, that's the one. Looks good!
     
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    roytonboy.I find this post very interesting , also another post with the list of clothes/shoes worn by skinheads.suedeheads and later.

    The reason I haven't replied until now is that I am finding it difficult to recall how I felt and what I knew then as a 13 year old and separate that from what I have learnt subsequently,my memory is quite selective and although I can remember some events very clearly ( I think ! ) I just cant remember certain things at all.

    I definitely heard the name Suedehead being mentioned in connection with the grown out skinhead haircut,as I hadn't been a skinhead I doubt that I would have considered myself a suedehead although I was trying my best to wear the clothes and shoes that suedeheads wore.

    I agree with what has been said about being able to wear a lot of the clothes to school,we must have been the most stylish schoolboys ever IMO,I also agree with your list showing the changes in clothes and shoe fashions,although there was a lot of overlap I think,and I also agree about the regional timescale and variation that has been discussed before.

    What you call Smoothies ie lads wearing the suedehead clothes but with longer hair I think we would have called Boot boys,in fact I thought of that term up until 77 ? when you still saw lads with that long hair "style" and baggy jeans and Dr Martens ( checkout the Millwall Panorama episode),gradually swept away by the changes in fashion inspired by punk ? although some die hards adhered to it up until 78 ? or perhaps later.

    I don't know whether you have read Bovver (later updated as Booted and Suited) by Chris Brown ? ( he sometimes posts on here),as regards to the clothes styles down here what he says definitely seems how I remember it,he also goes into the music that lots of people listened to through the 70s in depth,definitely worth reading IMO.
     
  19. roytonboy

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    elwood - your memory is spot on. I was part of that spontaneous move across on the first home match. We had a very good campaign and when we won the last home game of the season (2-0 v. Derby) we thought we were going to win the league. Unfortunately, the teams just below us won their games in hand - Derby won the league and we finished fourth on goal difference! I got to ten away matches that season, so a memorable year for lots of reasons!
     
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    Interesting in reading about Mods who became Hippies but then changed back again(Mods - The New Religion).They soon got fed up with the Rock Music and started buying Jamaican Music etc., again.It was the same story when some of the ex Skinheads grew their hair(through the various stages),started liking Glam and other Rock-and then reverted back.I was one of those,though Reggae had moved onto Roots,which I never liked.I was again listening to Soul/Funk etc. :)
     

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