1. And... we're back. You'll notice that all of your images are back as well, as are our beloved emoticons, including the infamous :foo: We have also worked with our server folks and developers to fix the issues that were slowing down the site.

    There is still work to be done - the images in existing sigs are not yet linked, for example, and we are working on a way to get the images to load faster - which will improve the performance of the site, especially on the pages with a ton of images, and we will continue to work diligently on that and keep you updated.

    Cheers,

    Fok on behalf of the entire Styleforum team
    Dismiss Notice

Mod to Suedehead

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Spirit of 69, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. TomMc666

    TomMc666 Senior member

    Messages:
    134
    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2013
    Just googled the photo and found this http://www.leatherhistory.eu/?p=6150 and says 1972 from a gay magazine and 'identifies' one of them in a further book.

    On the point of skinhead style dying out in London, not the case in my experience. Knew, from 72-75, a couple of skinheads - Binnsy and Terry Madden, at school, and there were others, but very low numbers!. During the Kings Road fights against the Teds, starting in 76, a few skinhead were there - on both sides - and then into 77, an increase in numbers around Sham.
     
    Last edited: May 15, 2014
  2. Clouseau

    Clouseau Senior member

    Messages:
    1,348
    Joined:
    May 18, 2013
    Location:
    Paris
    Case solved. Thanks Tom. And it's very interesting to know for sure that there were still skinheads in London in the early/mid seventies...
     
    Last edited: May 16, 2014
  3. roytonboy

    roytonboy Senior member

    Messages:
    563
    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2013
    Of more concern is what they are doing!!!!!!!!!!

    Looks like Roy was spot on with this one from the outset..............
     
  4. Clouseau

    Clouseau Senior member

    Messages:
    1,348
    Joined:
    May 18, 2013
    Location:
    Paris
    Actually Roytonboy, we already saw that picture back on the thread, and we all knew they were gay. The question was (as usual on this forum about pictures) the date.

    Skinhead girls too...
    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: May 16, 2014
  5. Botolph

    Botolph Senior member

    Messages:
    784
    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2011
    Location:
    Boston
    
    Looks like at least the '80s with the cropped top and bangs.
     
  6. Botolph

    Botolph Senior member

    Messages:
    784
    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2011
    Location:
    Boston
    


    Craigmatthew, how's the fit on these? Do you happen to know the hem measurement? I'm not toothpick-shaped enough for Warrior staprest and these MRude's look a little more 'forgiving'. I'm happy with the Brooks Brothers Clark lightweight chinoswhich are 100% cotton... but the poly/cotton blend of the M Rude's would likely hold a crease better.
     
  7. craig matthew

    craig matthew Member

    Messages:
    18
    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2014
    
    Stuart's London said the waist is true to size but I am getting mine taking in a bit as they were a bit big for me,good around the thigh too and a standard leg length of 34 will post up a few pics once I get them back from the tailors
     
  8. yankmod

    yankmod Senior member

    Messages:
    765
    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2012
    Nice One.Now we Know.I still don't believe there were Gay skins in the early days.I think its a case of the Gays being into Macho Dudes.I'm thinking of creating a new "Village People" and there will def be a Skinhead in the bunch(and a Chav as well)[​IMG]
     
  9. Inks

    Inks Senior member

    Messages:
    379
    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2013
    Location:
    West London
    There's nothing dodgy going on in that photo. They're just changing trousers for the photoshoot. I've seen the next photo in this sequence, and their jeans different. They're all bleach spattered.
     
  10. Gramps

    Gramps Senior member

    Messages:
    255
    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2011
    Location:
    The Land of The Hanged Monkey.
    Except the date.
     
  11. Lasttye

    Lasttye Senior member

    Messages:
    1,475
    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2011
    Location:
    London
    

    Their was no outwardly Gay skinheads in the late 60s, and as people know Gays was not tolerated back then especially with the white and black working classes, also as people are aware some skinheads would go queer bashing....which was deplorable...without going over old ground ..Britain was a very different place back then.

    I have not a clue the dates of the above photos ..but one thing they are not from the period 68 to 70..or pushing it 71.....regarding skinheads in the early 70s..72 to say 75...I was still active in the Kilburn mob, going to football, discos etc .....now if their was still skinheads in numbers around 72/75 in London..i would have seen them....and if their was they would have been laughed at as backward..remember skinheads was a fashion.

    I am only going on what i saw and lived through at that time, other people may have a different opinion which is fair enough.
     
    Last edited: May 16, 2014
  12. yankmod

    yankmod Senior member

    Messages:
    765
    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2012
    It's hard to imagine given the attitude at the time and the fact that the majority of original Skins were young kids who even if they were Gay would not have acknowledged it even in there own minds.
     
  13. Gramps

    Gramps Senior member

    Messages:
    255
    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2011
    Location:
    The Land of The Hanged Monkey.
    I know exactly what you're saying Roy.

    Purely from the clothes and nothing else, I always had the pictures down as Early 70's.

    Behind the times? yes. Gay? looks like it.

    We don't really know if its London either way, just as a Northerner, I thought it was South. Could even be Brighton (as there is a Queens Road in Brighton......... Or more than one ;))
     
  14. Lasttye

    Lasttye Senior member

    Messages:
    1,475
    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2011
    Location:
    London
    Sorry I just saw Toms comments, The photos was in a Gay Magazine in 72? ...Hilarious maybe it was their revenge for having a hard time from the skinheads,:D

    Yankmod spot on mate we was so young and naive, Gays...or Queers as they was referred to back then ...we was scared of them....,:D it seems crazy now..but thats the way it was......
     
  15. flyfronted

    flyfronted Senior member

    Messages:
    554
    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2012
    I remember some really smart Queer skinheads around soho in the early 80s - much older lads , all the smutter very sharp .[​IMG]
     
  16. Lasttye

    Lasttye Senior member

    Messages:
    1,475
    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2011
    Location:
    London
    This faded pic is of a mate of mine Bill O'Mahony R.I.P,[ centre of photo] a Kilburn and Chelsea Shed Legend, The pic was sent to me via FB by his brother Larry.
    Bill is also in the Kilburn ..Phoenix Club clip that i have posted on here.

    The pic is from a family holiday at Bognor...not sure of the date.. the lads around him are just lads he meet on the holiday. Just to add Larry has told me the photo was taken July/Aug 1967.


    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: May 17, 2014
    1 person likes this.
  17. Ed Vaughan

    Ed Vaughan Senior member

    Messages:
    958
    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2009
    Location:
    Manchester
    One for Roy... He'll ken this - Scary bassa!

    Was out tonight wiv some dodgy characters! :happy:

     
  18. Man-of-Mystery

    Man-of-Mystery Senior member

    Messages:
    3,619
    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2009
    Location:
    Your Last Battlefield
    

    I've said this before, and I'll say it again - not to to say you're not right - I can only go by what I saw. Between 71 and 75 (when I left London) the look was non-existent in S E London, as far as I could see. I went to football matches all over London. My girlfriend and I went all over London by bus and underground, up West or out through the suburbs to the finger of London to the country (we had the 'London Transport Book of Country Walks') and didn't see a single one...


    ... I suppose, as with every fashion, there are a few people who retain something of a recognisable style once it has faded. In the early 70s there were blokes in their 40s with slicked-back hair, who must have been teds when they were younger. I think that is a totally different phenomenon. Also, when thinking about the middle and later 70s, we have to remember that some kids imported skinhead elements into punk from early on. I can remember a pic of a punk band with one young bloke wearing a Harrington (over a T-shirt) and dockers (jungle greens) - I wish I could find that pic.

    Something else too remember is that in 69 there was still a musical genre of Reggae which skinheads danced to. In the early 70s Reggae changed its character completely and moved to Rastafarian lyrics, dub tracks, and 'toasting', so less relevance to skinheads and more into their own culture.

    I think we need to be careful when we say 'there were still skinheads' or 'the look continued' or some such.
     
    Last edited: May 16, 2014
  19. Man-of-Mystery

    Man-of-Mystery Senior member

    Messages:
    3,619
    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2009
    Location:
    Your Last Battlefield
    

    You've jogged my memory. When I was running Yell I was contacted by someone from a Gay magazine* and asked if I would be interviewed about the skinhead scene. The bloke dropped in at the IT offices to chat to me about it. I didn't end up doing the interview because I didn't see much point in it, but during the chat he told me that a number of gay blokes were into the look, and that he and his mates had been approached by young skins who were closet gay. Or that could have been wishful thinking on his part. People tend to big things up.


    *It can't have been Gay News, because that didn't start until 1972.
     
  20. Man-of-Mystery

    Man-of-Mystery Senior member

    Messages:
    3,619
    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2009
    Location:
    Your Last Battlefield
    

    Roy is dead right about the 'fashion' angle. That's what it was. Loads of kids jumped into it, and eighteen months down the line they're all wearing 'bee jumpers' and long hair!
     

Share This Page

Styleforum is proudly sponsored by