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Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Spirit of 69, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. Man-of-Mystery

    Man-of-Mystery Senior member

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    Button-downs were often quite short and always cut square. I can remember seeing one or two blokes around Lewisham in 1969 wearing them loose over their sta-prests.
     
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    We have one near us. I might go looking to see if those PoW strides are in stock.
     
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    Man-of-Mystery Senior member

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    For Ivy, you can't beat Faber's resident bastard, Doug Niedermeyer, as has already been pointed out. :)
     
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    Yep, quite enjoyed it mate - I think the transition to the 1960s and mod background worked surprisingly well. I don't think it was so dark as the original film but you can't really compare the two and let's face it anything with Helen Mirren in has to be good.
     
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    Clouseau....Heres that picture from a few pages back,its a bit more clear,I increased the size to try and read the writing on the big building in the background ( but I cant make it out ).
    I notice that at the top it says walesonline so I had a look there but I couldn't find anything.
    On the picture that you posted it mentions a 3 part story on football hooliganism,if I knew the date of that paper I could have a look in the central library here,maybe there are more pictures in the other parts of the article.
     
  6. Clouseau

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    Cerneabbas. it's a press-cut from the Western daily press. On the bottom you can read: "the boot goes in as fans clash after a Bristol city-Cardiff city match in Bristol last year."
    No date unfortunately.
     
  7. cerneabbas

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    Yes,its bad luck,they did keep old papers at the library and they were put onto film,but to go through a whole year would be a painful experience.
    BTW,you mentioned Mackintosh recently,I was looking at raincoats online and I noticed that Mackintosh do a check raincoat a bit like Prince of Wales check also a pinstripe one...I can not remember where I saw them,but it made a change from the same few colours that raincoats are made in.
     
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    Yes, Mackintosh does really nice models, but a bit short IMO. I think they are really too expensive (like Burberry, or even Aquascutum, even if the price is under). I've got a Uniqlo mac (the model they did two years ago, unfortunately they change every year the cut, material, and quality) and i'm quite happy with it. (paid 70 euros, during the sales).
     
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    A funny 1970 article (from "Valentine magazine") about a young skinhead and birds. (i think the lad interviewed has nothing to do with the guy on the picture).
    what he says will ring a bell with a lot of you i guess. A clear headed young bloke... (easier to read if you click to enlarge)
    [​IMG]
     
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  10. cerneabbas

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    Clouseau...I have been looking for a raincoat with a detachable lining for a while,I think out of the few colours that are available now I prefer the dark blue,I agree with what you and elwood say that finding one the right length seems difficult....
    Also as you say a lot of them seem very expensive now,I don't know why they were always quite cheap compared with an overcoat years ago...I had a brown one about 1971 / 72,I know that it was quite cheap but I wore it a lot and then gave it to my younger brother,there was more choice in colours then.
     
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    Have you considered a vintage piece by the brand London Fog? "The company went public in the 1960s. By the 1970s, the company had its own stores, and was manufacturing not only raincoats, but also other types of clothes and accessories. At the time, two-thirds of all raincoats sold in the United States were London Fog."
     
  12. roytonboy

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    Well, there are two conflicting schools of thought on this, both touched on already. As a skinhead, back in '69/70, I certainly didn't consider myself a Mod. Although I had been wearing some aspects of the style for a few months previously I took a conscious decision to become 'a skinhead'. This involved going to have a skinhead haircut - the defining feature of a skinhead. In fact, back then, if someone did not have the haircut, I did not regard them as a skinhead, regardless of the clothes they wore. To me being a skinhead involved wearing Levi's ('though Wranglers were also acceptable) held up with braces and boots. The lads in the recently posted Western Mail photo encapsulated the look I aspired to - plain BD shirt with fair-isle sleeveless pull-over. (and yes, I did occasionally go out with braces showing - but only rarely and only in the early days) I was regarded as a skinhead, and was proud to be so. My sister had been a Mod but she was 7 years older than me and I didn't aspire to be like her - I wanted 'my own' identity, or at least that of my peers. Outside of school I virtually lived in Levi's and boots and wore these 'socially' for 2 years.. When I first started to go to the local Soul club, I wore the same clothes, only exchanging boots for brogues. All the lads there were dressed the same. Some of the older lads were even wearing boots. This was in late 1970. To be a bit more 'formally dressed' I would wear light coloured sta-prest and brogues. No one wore a suit. A suit was something you had to wear for a family wedding or funeral, and then you'd have a face like a smacked backside because of it. The only time I saw someone wearing a suit was Brian Parkinson who was 4 years older than me and I'm not even sure he would have regarded himself as a 'skinhead' - we would recognise him now as a 'hard mod' but of course that term didn't even exist then. This would have been late 1968 or early 1969. Reading through previous posts on this forum, there has been mention from time to time about suits - even made to measure suits - well, some of you must be from a higher social strata from me as this was completely unheard of amongst people I knew. I surprised someone quite recently by saying that back in the skinhead era I never saw anyone in a tone-tone suit. It simply wasn't on our radar. We didn't even start wearing 'tonik' trousers until well into 1971 when 'skinhead' was on the wane. Some people on this site wore suits but from what I can see there are far more mods on here than skinheads. That's not a crticism, some of you a rightly proud of your mod past. Maybe some people feel that having their hair cut a bit shorter a couple of times in 1969 when it was trendy makes them a skinhead. A lad in our class at school decided to have a skinhead haircut late in 1969 when it was really catching on, nationwide. I clearly remember him turning up at Maine Road after having it done that morning. Jeans turned up, big, heavy 'bovver boots' on his feet. Sadly, he had big sticky out ears and glasses and looked a right #%8&! He knew it too and spent the whole afternoon with his parka hood pulled up and his head dejectedly in his hands, leaning on a barrier. I don't think he had his hair cut for months afterwards, until it became shoulder length and by the start of 1970 he was walking around in flared jeans and trainers. He could legitimately claim to have been a skinhead in 1969, but he wasn't really and no-one from our class at the time would even remember him as one. Skinheads did have some similarities with Mods, just as Rockers had some similarities with Teddy Boys, but I viewed the two as separate entities.
     
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  13. roytonboy

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    Yep, Skinhead style - not Mod.
     
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    Great input Royton as always,but I would suggest that five of the six lads photographed have what could be considered Mod haircuts.I dressed exactly the same at the time ( without braces) and had the same length hair as the kid in the Fair Isle.
     
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    Sirryacus...I had not heard of London Fog before,I have done a quick search and found that they are available here,they look the right length and they have a detachable liner and the price is ok,
    I haven't found a blue one yet but if I do I think I will give them a try,thanks for the information.
     
  17. roytonboy

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    Fair comment Gsvs5. I should have said "Skinhead Style - not Mod". (I've changed it now). At the time (and this may have been a local thing) we referred to lads who wore the style but didn't have the skinhead haircut as 'Boot Boys' i.e. someone who wore boots. I know that later on this term came to have a different meaning. By the end of 1969 very few people were calling themselves 'Mods'. Most 'mobs', be it football or local gangs, would be a collection of Skinheads and Boot Boys - generally same everything except haircut . The exact ratio would depend on time and locality. Collectively referred to as 'skinheads' by outsiders, we had more of an eye to the detail of individuals. However, sometimes 'Boot Boys' wore some, but not all of the skinhead wardrobe - these lads tended to be more interested in the violence (or at least the violent image) than the style aspect of it.

    As an example - At the time there was a newspaper article entitled, "Sir's A Skinhead". It was about a lad who was at a Teacher Training College (training to be a teacher!). They tried to put a spin on it saying how on teaching practice in schools he never had any trouble with the kids as they were obviously all scared of him, or some such. However, the accompanying photo showed him not to have a skinhead haircut and to be wearing monkey boots, which nobody seemed to wear in our area. We dismissed the whole thing with comments like "He's no skinhead....."
     
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    Exactly.If i was asked then or now what I "am" ,I would have said Mod.My nickname given to me by classmates alluded to a skinhead though?

    Coincidently Billy Butlers' Right Track is playing on NPR Radio as I type this !…….The first Northern 45 I purchased if my memory serves me right?
     
  19. cerneabbas

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    roytonboy...I remember the older lads ( 16 / 17 maybe 18 ) would have had suits ,to go to the Top Rank etc,but you make a good point ,did they regard themselves as skinheads ?.
    I always differentiate between skinhead ( as street style,boots jeans and fairisles ) and what I call ( now ) smart skinhead / suedehead,thats brogues or loafers,two tone trousers and blazer or Crombie or a suit.....but that's me looking back not how it would have been regarded at the time ?.
    You mention "tonik" trousers,now to us that was Levi sta prest two tone trousers,but we also referred to say a two tone raincoat as a "tonik raincoat",I know now that's wrong but we were young lads and just copied what we heard others say,you mention two tone suits and I wondered if Levis ever made a jacket to go with the trousers ?.
    As you say the term "hard mod " wasn't used then but now looking back at the period as history we can see a progression ?,but as has been said before here ,local variations make a timescale a bit difficult....all IMO.
     
  20. Gsvs5

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    That's the first time I ever heard of Tonik Levis Sta-Prest? What combo's did they do?
     

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